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Google.com SERP Changes - June 2008
annej




msg:3663831
 8:24 pm on May 31, 2008 (gmt 0)

< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

I've wondered too as to why some search terms are affected more than others and some result pages are changing around while other barely move.

Has anyone seen any relationship between how popular a search the term is and how much movement is going on?

As to when it will end I don't think we can predict as nothing quite like this has gone on before.

[edited by: tedster at 2:48 am (utc) on June 1, 2008]

 

doughayman




msg:3679973
 12:59 am on Jun 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

Definitely not about thin affiliates. The ones that have survived in my sector are as thin as can be.

Only common theme thus faar seems to be Age of Domain. My content doesn't change all that much - maybe that's the combo they are hitting.

Whitey




msg:3679983
 1:40 am on Jun 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

I'm sure this update is not about thin affiliates

My sense is that the algo may have shifted up a number of notches on a number of factors. So thin affiliates alone may not be a single factor , but part of a combination of factors.

All i can say is it's something pretty significant in Google's attempt to quality control results better. It has to do with content and link profiles , but the finer details of the filtering continue to elude me.

Factors that may resist the vulnerability in this recent fall are likely built into the historical trust profile of the sites, but there has to be something that has pushed the sites involved in the June changes over the edge. They may have been pushing the limits of Google's tolerance.

[edited by: Whitey at 1:44 am (utc) on June 21, 2008]

Lame_Wolf




msg:3680015
 3:34 am on Jun 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

my site is 100% non affiliate and is affected on certain keywords.
site is 7000 static html
4-5 years old.
dedicated server.

confuscius




msg:3680075
 7:10 am on Jun 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

... and there was I waiting for the expiry of my estimate of the Google re-index timespan of 16 days, ready today to say enough is enough and make my move to the dark side by remonetizing my higher PR site and what do I find? Well it looks like most if not all of my thousands of ranking positions returned.As far as I can see from my logs this happened at about 11.55pm on 20 June! Someone at Google turned the filter off, did a data rollback, reversed the algo change or one of a thousand other possibilities.

Given the dramatically increased spider activity then my money is still on a 'bad data push' type event - so I lost the vast bulk of positions for one Google cycle. Let's see if it sticks.

One thing that is clear from my recent logs is the very large number of times that Google is spidering pages with the construct of example.com/search.php?c=#*$!X&q=SEARCHTERM&search.x=1&search.y=1 - the give away being the co-ordinates of the mouse in the search box - all top left and same position! That is to say NOT generated by a human - the effect of this being that Google is turning my structured site into an array of search terms. I am not concerned given the size of the site then just about any dictionary word / phrase should return some content for Google to chew on. It will be interesting to see how this progresses but early signs are that the traffic is back.

I doubt that we will ever know what actually happened on 4 June to wreak such havoc on the chosen ones. I must have just been hit by the +950 filter.

SEOPTI




msg:3680122
 10:47 am on Jun 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

Thanks for this report confuscius. My sites have not come back (still in -950 since 4 June) but it's really really good to know it's possible to escape this penalty.

mbennie




msg:3680159
 11:58 am on Jun 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

I just ran across this thread today and will share what happened to me on June 4th.

About 10am EST 90% of our traffic disappeared. It was all at once. I run a script which shows real time visitors to my site and watched them go from 70+ to about 5 or 6 in a matter of minutes. The only visitors were repeats and msn, Yahoo etc.

Started trying to figure out what was going on and, first, checked to see if pages were still indexed - they were.

Began running queries - more and more specific and couldn't find the site for any of the normal keywords or combinations thereof. Could only find the site with one obscure keyphrase which isn't searched often.

Got scared and started trying to figure out how to tell my wife that 90% of our income disappeared.

Turned off the computer and took a break.

Returned 3 hours later and traffic was back to normal.

I thought it was some sort of a hiccup until I read this thread. Now it seems it may have been a filter that was applied and perhaps tweaked. Evidently the site in question was on the edge of whatever was being filtered.

confuscius




msg:3680212
 1:45 pm on Jun 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hi SEOPTI

Perhaps google has a new mind reading algo and was so concerned about their loss of adwords income from the adsense on my site and the dramatic effect that that it could possibly impact on their stock price in the long term that they decided to let me back in!

I did not get out of jail on this occasion but Google dismantled the jail around me to set me free as I have just sat sitting in the exact same place for the last 3 weeks and did nothing other than to tell Google that my site had a UK focus.

Looking at the cache dates on the now visible pages these are a mix of post and pre 4 June and so I can find no evidence to support any other conclusion other than MY DATA WAS LOST FROM THE GOOGLE DATA SET and after a basic full re-spider then I have slotted back into the original unchanged algo at my original position. Google screwed up their data and they are still trying to recover it but that is just my view.

So, no penalties, no algo changes, just a plain old 'we screwed up and lost your data' issue.

stockexperts




msg:3680224
 2:15 pm on Jun 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

Yes this has been happening to my site I am not seeing traffic back to normal prior to 4 June but I am seeing the key words that were bringing up my site prior to June 4 are working again and my site is beginning to show up when some selected key words are quarried
The key words that returned my site on 6 or 7 position on the first page are bringing up my site to top position now.
After noticing the changes since this morning. I fully agree with what confuscius has said in his last post.

“Google screwed up their data and they are still trying to recover it but that is just my view.
So, no penalties, no algo changes, just a plain old 'we screwed up and lost your data' issue.

It could be nothing else then this………..
Take this from me I am 1000 % sure just relax all of you if you have been hit by June 4 fiasco.
By the turn of events since June 4 I have always felt this but there were no takers for this argument since ....
The Big G had lost it may be one of their data centers had been attacked and they lost track of rankings, and now it seems things are beginning to get back to normal.
Any Takers there ?

SEOPTI




msg:3680379
 6:52 pm on Jun 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

Are there more people seeing a release from the June 4 penalty round?

[edited by: SEOPTI at 7:19 pm (utc) on June 21, 2008]

hotelmarketing




msg:3680382
 6:54 pm on Jun 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

I am not. In the US.

doughayman




msg:3680396
 7:20 pm on Jun 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

NOPE.

kcguitar




msg:3680455
 9:46 pm on Jun 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

Not back yet either.

northweb




msg:3680464
 10:00 pm on Jun 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hit with the same penalty 1 1/2 years ago....made all kinds of changes.. no luck and still stuck.

northweb

stockexperts




msg:3680585
 3:55 am on Jun 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

Update
Things seem to slowly getting back to normal I would not call this a complete recovery yet as Saturday and Sunday are low traffic days for me.
How ever hope is in the horizon this is not a penalty for sure but it should something of what confuscius said
confuscius
As the June 4 fiasco has affected a lot of sites with traffic then I thought that it would be interesting to compare the traffic profile over time as reported on a well known RANK website. I have looked at a number of UK centric websites - the one thing in common is that they all rank within the alleged top 5,000 most trafficked sites in the UK - the shape of the graphs of about 1/3 of the sites that I looked were very similar and show a clear effect on 4/5 June. The other interesting aspect to the shape of the graph is that virtually every affected site is showing a significant increase in traffic during the second half of May running up to the drop, so it is as if TOO MUCH TRAFFIC has been going to the most popular sites and then some sort of brake filter has been applied indicating an earlier algo change with the undesired traffic effect from Google's perspective and then a deliberate manipulation of search results as a consequence that some large advertisers were getting too much 'free' traffic.

So, for once we have an INDEPENDENT means that we can all use to see this effect - in fact, I see no reason why we should ALL not try to find as many examples of the graph shape for as many websites as possible and post them all over the web, just to grab Google's attention, as I believe there has not been one single word from them on what they did on 4 June.


It should be because The Big G is trying with some Geo Settings,screwed up with the tweaks and well on path to revert the changes now . as most of my key words seem to be returning results prior to June 4 ....

sahm




msg:3680602
 5:20 am on Jun 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

My main key word has not come back yet...but my previously most visited page on my site (which happens to be a reprinted article!) is back at #1 today. This is the first change I have seen since June 4th...hopefully more will follow!

clickfire




msg:3680604
 5:21 am on Jun 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

I'm still down as well.

anon123




msg:3680605
 5:25 am on Jun 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

Went from 4th to nearin' the 2nd page. When I hit the 2nd page I'll freak out. But for now, I'm hopin' it's just a fluke.

willybfriendly




msg:3680623
 7:04 am on Jun 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

Does it seem like the singular and plural are being treated differently to others? I have seen significant swings in 'widget' vs 'widgets', 'widget for sale' vs 'widgets for sale', 'widget maker' vs 'widget makers', etc.

pdvor4




msg:3680628
 7:17 am on Jun 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

well, i reported [webmasterworld.com...]
that our very large 8 year old US-based/hosted ecom site no adsense, but GA lost some major keywords around June 4th, but recovered somewhat on June 14. Since yesterday, we lost some of them (high traffic kw) again and I see it for well over 24 hours on all datacenters.
What I noticed for some of these words is the definition link in Google that I have not seen before for these specific KW
Results 1 - 10 of about 30,000,000 for KW [definition]. (0.10 seconds)
that link leads to [answers.com...]
not sure if it is related at all.

anyway, I thought it was a fluke after we recovered, but I know I guess it was not. ;-(

Hissingsid




msg:3680640
 8:08 am on Jun 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

Does it seem like the singular and plural are being treated differently to others? I have seen significant swings in 'widget' vs 'widgets', 'widget for sale' vs 'widgets for sale', 'widget maker' vs 'widget makers', etc.

Hi,

This is starting to sound like Google may have extended their phrase based "dictionary" to include more specific commercial terms. There were a few reports earlier in the year that using a plural of one word in a two word term brought sites that had been dropped down the serps back near the top.

It would be interesting to hear if this is the case with this round of changes.

Cheers

Sid

lionstail




msg:3680691
 10:25 am on Jun 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

We have two unrelated sites, but in the past month, one site fell off the Google map, and in the past 2 weeks, another site went WAY up in the rankings for most of our keywords.

Any idea why we would see such dramatic improvement all of a sudden, even on pages that haven't been touched in a while? Anyone else seen dramatic changes in the past 2 weeks?

(Can it be that SEO is also a lot about luck? We employ the same tactics for both sites, but they have different navigations- could that affect things?)

Thanks as always!

[edited by: tedster at 1:15 pm (utc) on June 22, 2008]
[edit reason] moved from another location [/edit]

Lovejoy




msg:3680809
 2:52 pm on Jun 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hi Sid,

That would have been my input regarding plurals. Currently for my main keyword singular I'm number 13, page two, as a plural it's number 3, page one.

Lovejoy

tedster




msg:3680819
 3:17 pm on Jun 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

Lionstail, many people here have mentioned dramatic ranking losses beginning June 4 [webmasterworld.com] - but it's great that you also see some improvement. We know that something is filling in those lost positions, right?

Yes, navigation differences could well be a factor. Without posting specifics, can you give us more of an idea of how the navigation differs on your two sites?

lionstail




msg:3680901
 5:59 pm on Jun 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

Sure thing- the most obvious difference is that the site that went DOWN, has an extensive left navigation. The site that went UP, has NO left navigation and is navigated only through the top nav.

Imaster




msg:3680928
 6:42 pm on Jun 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

Got back today, June 22nd :)

sunroof




msg:3680962
 8:11 pm on Jun 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

Imaster, how hard were you hit? What percentage of Google traffic you lost and when? June 4th?

doughayman




msg:3681103
 12:47 am on Jun 23, 2008 (gmt 0)

Today, rankings and traffic at an all-time 10 year low. Looks like Google has finished me off for good.

SEOPTI




msg:3681128
 1:20 am on Jun 23, 2008 (gmt 0)

Not only you, I'm finished completely, they put 16 of my sites in the -950 box on 4 June (all of them).

I'm thinking about leaving the web business once and for all ... I'm in the business for more than 10 years but with this Google monopoly there is no chance than to rely on these ignorant and arrogant people who don't respect our content.

Pass the Dutchie




msg:3681252
 7:24 am on Jun 23, 2008 (gmt 0)

Sorry to hear that SEOPTI. Hope things turn around for you.

No change as far as the June 5th slaughter for a site which from one day to the next went from rotating wildly between pos 4-11 to page 16! Can't believe its a penalty and if it is a penalty then Google is getting worse at separating what the user wants and what Google 'think' people want. If only we could 'show' Google the kind of feedback we get about our site and the service we provide.

stockexperts




msg:3681319
 9:57 am on Jun 23, 2008 (gmt 0)

Not only you, I'm finished completely, they put 16 of my sites in the -950 box on 4 June (all of them).

I'm thinking about leaving the web business once and for all ... I'm in the business for more than 10 years but with this Google monopoly there is no chance than to rely on these ignorant and arrogant people who don't respect our content.


MY site is recovering from the June 4 holocaust your sites will also do,
could you also tell more about what is the 950 box and your other 16 sites so that we could have a better understanding of what happened and why it happened at all .....

HuskyPup




msg:3681347
 11:17 am on Jun 23, 2008 (gmt 0)

what happened and why it happened at all .....

No offence intended however if we knew the answers to your questions this thread would not exist.

I think I have an idea why I have one site bouncing all over and as such performing an experiment to see IF it resolves the issue.

If it does not then I am as flumoxed as anyone else as to which stupid dial they turned the wrong way or their inability to roll back a bad data push.

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