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"Refine Results" for a site: query - it uses a more: operator
tedster




msg:3663093
 6:33 pm on May 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

I just found something new in Google results - at least for me. I was researching a medical problem and wanted to see results from a particular health authority website. So I entered the query problemname site:example.org.

At the top of the results page, I see eight links in a "Refine Results for [problemname]" block, with these choices:

Treatment - Tests/diagnosis - For patients - From medical authorities
Symptoms - Causes/risk factors - For health professionals - Alternative medicine

When these links are clicked, the query adds a special operator, "more:" which is also new to me. The query becomes, for instance problemname site:example.org more:condition_treatment

This refinement was extremely helpful in my research. I could survey the available information in a very well structured way that saved me many clicks. Then I tested this kind of site: operator query for some other major health resources, and got the same eight "Refine Results for..." choices, and each triggered the same more: operator.

I wonder if this kind of site: query refinement can be triggered in any other topical area in addition to health conditions. Has anyone seen this?

 

tedster




msg:3663186
 8:03 pm on May 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

I''ve been experimenting in major technology areas, plus various big .gov and .int websites - no luck so far. This type of query refinement seems to be just health related.

Robert Charlton




msg:3663523
 8:18 am on May 31, 2008 (gmt 0)

When these links are clicked, the query adds a special operator, "more:" which is also new to me.

I remember commenting on this way back, but didn't specifically mention the operator. I do remember seeing it in the medical results....

In this thread...
"Searches related to:" - Where are these from?
[webmasterworld.com...]

Distinguishing Refinements from Searches related to, with emphasis added...
The Refinements appear to be applied uniformly to categories of similar things... ie, medical conditions get a set of refinements... cities get a set of refinements.... And the refinements are categories themselves. They don't behave as if they're additional words just tacked onto a search.

I note that in discussions about Refinements in some of the old threads, I'd mentioned that I'd seen them on both medical results at the top of the page and on cityname searches at the bottom of the page... and that these were different from the "related to" searches at the bottom....

Beta Tests - Playing with SERP Layout Continues
[webmasterworld.com...]

I haven't seen this kind of page division for a geo name search. What I generally see on those is a set of refinements at the bottom of the page...

Refine results for san francisco:
Dining guides - - Attractions - - Suggested itineraries
Lodging guides - - Shopping - - Tours & day trips

Hard to reproduce them here. They're similar in appearance to the refinements that display at the top of the serps for very general medical or health searches.

I do not remember seeing an additional operator in the geo Refinements. In any event, these geo Refinements have been replaced by a whole different set of (probably still experimental) interfaces... "Related searches" on either the top or bottom of the page, plus map results.

The only Google results that I know specifically came from expert seeding, btw, are the medical refinements... and my assumption is that the Subscribed Links are still an experiment in this direction, but haven't reached the kind of user satisfaction threshold that would cause Google to put them up at the top of an entire category of searches. Some discussion here....

Google: Subscribed Links
it's the co-op stuff, rebranded
[webmasterworld.com...]

tedster




msg:3663538
 9:15 am on May 31, 2008 (gmt 0)

Now that you mention it, i do remember that earlier thread. Well, now I appreciate your observation and Google's work on this a lot more. I am particularly impressed with the 8 category taxonomy they came up with. It really does the job.

I am a bit of an information architecture fanatic - looks like Google is too.

Robert Charlton




msg:3663557
 10:38 am on May 31, 2008 (gmt 0)

This thought hit me in the middle of the night and I got up to check it, and that is to try the more: operators with the cityname search I'd mentioned in that earlier post. It doesn't work.

But then I noticed in Miamics post in the Google: Subscribed Links thread referenced above, and yes, he had noted down the string the more: operator added to the Google search urls....

The original co-op listings have disappeared from the SERPs. I kinda remember nodding with satisfaction when I saw a travel query list 1 or 2 recommendations from LonelyPlanet for example. It's gone now. Does anyone even remember the refinement results these co-ops provided? the more: operator? For example the more:suggested_itineraries after a city name... Google still knows it's an operator. It's gone though... Type in a major city name and add this to the URL of the SERP right after q=mycity

+more:suggested_itineraries&cx=destination_guides&oi=cooptsr

Not only is it gone, it's as if it never was there.

Well, it's gone from the search box functionality, but if you add the string to the url, you can bring the more: cityname refinements back to the top of the serps page and then play with them.

It's too late at night to run extensive tests... but while they are different from regular search results with the refinement words used as search terms without the more: operator, many of the top results for a given search appear to be the same, albeit the top ten ordering is different.

mic089




msg:3716325
 7:04 am on Aug 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

I just searched for the word "scrape" on a recipe website

site:example.org scrape

and the refine results for treatment, symptoms, tests/diagnosis etc. block came up.

Clicking on the Causes/risk factors led to results such as "Cucumber cooking tips" and "Your favourite biscuit and cake recipes"

Receptional Andy




msg:3717100
 10:42 pm on Aug 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

I've found that using more:condition_treatment with any keyword delivers pretty much the same results as including the word 'treatment' in the search query itself. The only other difference is that it triggers 'advanced search' handling, i.e. Google doesn't do much matching of words other than the exact word you enter (i.e. equivalent to searching for [+widget treatment] as opposed to just [widget treatment]). The result ordering is somewhat different at times though.

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