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May 2008 Google SERP Changes

 7:20 am on May 1, 2008 (gmt 0)

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annej - I am very suspicious they do some link buying and wonder if Google is playing around with some algos they think might catch that.

I'm seeing similar signs this morning but I think that this is in reaction to the effect Internetheaven reported above. ie a devaluation in internal links caused an overvaluation in low value external links. I've seen a few sites rise to the very top of Serps that seem to have done it through link buying and link exchanging with off topic and/or poor geo location sites. Those now seem to be dropping.

Also one site that, out of the blue, got sitelinks for a very competitive 2 word term where there is no way it should be top of serps never mind be given sitelinks for that term. I'm pretty sure that this was an indication that external outgoing links, with the right anchor text, was given an undue boost. Today they have lost sitelinks. Lets hope they don't get them back!

What I'm seeing this morning looks like they are either tweaking down the weight of external outgoing links and incoming links or turning internal link anchor weight back up a tad.



[edited by: tedster at 3:16 pm (utc) on May 1, 2008]



 7:34 pm on May 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

ha ha thats bad.

I feel a bit better now!


 7:50 pm on May 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

No one is talking about long tail ... I don't see any changes.


 8:11 pm on May 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

Something has switched. I'm back up to where I should be.


 9:04 pm on May 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

I have just noticed that other small search engines sites like Retrevo Are getting listed higher than me for my own unique content.

It’s been that way since Universal Search began. If you’ve listed with any search engine, directory, or specialty site chances are you’ll see your content in them outrank you in Google. Plus that does vary daily/weekly. The only reason I can see for this is Google has squashed so much of the competition that the only profits they can make or Google can is by putting their Adsense results into the serps.

honestly does google want to be the only site on the internet making money.

“That pretty well goes without saying.” I can still remember when I got orders from 40-100 search engines a day.


 10:03 pm on May 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

Thanks Outland88,

The thing is I have never registered with any of small search engines. More than likely it's one of my competitors who have registered me so that I get hit like this. So much for Google's 'no other websites can hurt your positions.'

Whats the point of creating good quality niche content on a TBPR6 site when a scraper site with a TBPR1 can out rank you for your own content simply by getting hundreds of poor quality Indian blog links.


 4:36 am on May 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

Anyone else noticing a lot of Google books results in the serps?


 5:14 am on May 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

I am seeing a lot more Google product results in the top serps, notebook, coop, etc.


 6:21 am on May 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

Google periodically rotates books in and out of the top results in my areas. When they’re not present they seem to sit in clumps at the rear of results as if some are 950’d. Their appearance seems more timed to particular dates or time of month more than anything else. Shoving You Tube into the top results seems to be the “biggie” for the month in my areas.

Actually all the results seem more time sensitive, especially with commerce sites, based upon the swings people are observing.

Clickfires comments were exactly what I expected to see mentioned for this time period.


 8:36 am on May 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

At this moment, for our top target 2 word term and for the other terms that I've checked all of the DCs top 10 look exactly the same.

We have only really been badly affected for our most important, highest volume and most valuable term. I'm now convinced that this is caused by the devaluation of internal linking and the up-weighting of any old c**p back links in a competitive area. The site at #1 has gone back to having site links which is living proof that the current algorithm is as weak as gnats p*$$.

I can't understand why senior people at Google, on their personal blogs and in their public utterances are so smug. They are harming real businesses while helping people who are doing exactly what they say they want to stop. It just beggars belief.

I'm also now wondering if there is any point in reporting spam sites in the UK because unless they are doing unspeakable things on a global scale they slip under the radar of any new algo that Matt Cutts team can come up with.

The UK, in fact any market outside the US just doesn't matter to Google. They can make more money in an afternoon in the US than they make in a whole year in the UK.




 3:44 pm on May 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

It seems as things are settling down.

There might be 2 sets of results for my beloved search phrase.

One seems more up-to-date with direct daily-weekly changes on Web pages by Webmasters. The other seems a bit older.

Nevertheless, now it's hard to detect differences in between both.

One-two weeks ago both sets of results were quite different.

I like the current results.


 4:01 pm on May 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

well enjoy them while you can, im sure they will be gone soon.


 4:06 pm on May 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

For about a week I've seen consistency on my single word focus SERPs. Shuffling is between 1-3 places only, which is much less, and I'm not disappearing every other day, like I was. Top 10 stability is nice.



 5:55 pm on May 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

No one is talking about long tail ... I don't see any changes.

It seems to be mostly affecting the terms that get a great many searches. My long tail traffic doesn't seem to be affected but then I don't watch those results much.

I do not think it's related to whether you have any affiliate ads. At least I'm not seeing anything like that.


 10:29 am on May 23, 2008 (gmt 0)

I agree with SantaPaws:

well enjoy them while you can, im sure they will be gone soon.

When looking at our traffic graph in Analytics for the last few months, ours looks like a giant friggin' roller coaster ride! We'll have 10K+ daily uniques for 2 weeks, then 3K daily for two weeks, then back up, then back down, then back up......

TG we're back up as of yesterday. Sad part is, I know we'll be back down in a few weeks... I feel sorry for those whose depend on G for their livelyhood - this is like the mall manager telling you they're not going to allow you to have any mall visitors today..... but maybe tomorrow. Or maybe not. Or maybe yes.

It's craziness. I'm starting to wonder at the collective intelligence of all those PhD's. My hope is that they're just luring in as many bad guys as they can before the big KABLAMMO!


 10:30 am on May 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

I am still seeing lots movement in my area.

Although the swing isn't as big as what I have seen in the past few weeks, which is stating to worry me that these change might stick.

Any ideas.


 11:10 am on May 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

SERPs for a very competitive and probably representative phrase stabilized like a week ago, and with results I can relate to.

not agree to though... just relate to.
or better put... comprehend

the rest I've been onto haven't been shaking either, it's just that those are probably not monitored live 24/7

I suggest to everyone here that once things settle down for a week or two straight, go on w/ your lives and analyse the SERPs in your niche/for the KWs you lost out on, and make your moves.

for what I'm seeing is probably ( 95% ) there to stay


 11:29 am on May 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

for what I'm seeing is probably ( 95% ) there to stay

My crystal ball suggests that everything will stay the same unless it changes. ;-)

I waited until I thought "I've got nothing to lose, I might as well do some tweaks" and then I got stuck in to making changes I should probably have done years ago but dare not touch because I was lucky enough to be at #1.




 4:59 am on May 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

google traffic for my website dropped by 100 %. Still appearing in search results for www.domain.com but no clicks through google searchings for some keywords who ranked well before. I don`t know what`s happening , i don`t know if i`m banned or some stupid updates are coming. Can anyone help us ?

[edited by: tedster at 5:46 am (utc) on May 25, 2008]
[edit reason] moved from another location [/edit]


 6:03 am on May 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hello steroidsro, and welcome to the forums.

Sorry to hear about your trouble. Have you checked out the Hot Topics [webmasterworld.com] section, which is always pinned to the top of this forum's index page? There's a section in there with threads about "Penalties, Sandbox and Trust" that can help you understand some of the more common problems that come up.


 6:39 am on May 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

It's a nightmare.
Today I lost all of my rankings for AU and UK for some important keywords. On the other sida, I rank first or second in some other european countries where no english is spoken.
For another keyword, I dropped from 4th to 5th and lost 80% referrals.
Beside adding fresh content every day, and having mostly natural link building I'm clueless of what to do. Tha site that outranked me, has almsot no content in home just a huge list of links to inner pages.
Quality team is gone party?


 2:03 pm on May 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

I agree, the results in the last 24hrs have got even worse. I am seeing a lot of .cz URLs showing up in the UK results.


 4:21 pm on May 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing 3 different data sets at the moment.

These two DCs have results which put me higher, for my main target term, than I've seen for 10 months, when I use a "Google watch tool" which is in effect a US proxy. When I go directly to the DCs from the UK, I drop back 6 places.




 10:56 am on May 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

The current results are very messy and many relevant pages are being excluded from search.

Perhaps duplicate content suddenly more strict? something is certainly up!

Surely this can't be here to stay...


 3:19 pm on May 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hi Pete,

Seeing very poor quality results in my niche.


 4:38 pm on May 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

I have still got rubbish scrapper sites listed higher for my own unique content. Is anybody else having this problem.


 5:01 pm on May 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Anyone else noticing a lot of Google books results in the serps?

Yep, but usually these are the last pages in the results set among other penalized pages.

Looking at last 6 months in my niche it is all about links. When I get more links, I go up. When I go on hols and do not get any, I slip.
No other factors in play for at least 6 months. Yawn.


 9:08 am on May 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Anyone noticed and big serp changes as of today?, our 2 year old very high ranking site has been hit hard for 90% of its keywords.

indias next no1

 9:41 am on May 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

yes something changing, a decrease in visitors


 10:09 am on May 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hi Guys I have seen big changes today. Looks like G has rolled back to pre May 9th.


 10:13 am on May 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Are you checking DCs by proxy or are you going to google.com. I suspect that some of the reports of big changes that we are seeing are geo filter changes not main algo changes. We need to be specific otherwise your post is a complete waste of time.

There are different datasets if you go to the DCs using a proxy but I'm not seeing massive movement.




 10:19 am on May 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

My site is back after 1 week of inactivity, so i knew i wasn`t penalized or banned , there was a problem from google or maybe they experimented new ranking algorithms

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