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Google.ca vs. Google.com - Doing well in CA, but we sell to the world!
Good_Vibes




msg:3624729
 5:07 pm on Apr 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hi,

I have a bit of a problem that most people wouldn't call a problem.
My site is doing very well in the Google.ca SERPs, but we sell all over the world.
We are ranked #3 in .ca, but only around #50 in .com

Should I just keep optimizing, or is Google giving us a penalty in Google.com?

Also, would there be a better place to post this question?

Thanks for any help you can offer.

 

malinkam




msg:3625042
 12:27 am on Apr 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Is your hosting located in Canada?, that might have a bit do with it.

wheel




msg:3625088
 1:59 am on Apr 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

It's got nothing to do with where you're hosted. There is no penalty. It's just that the .com results are more competitive than the .ca and you don't have enough oomph to break through in the .com results.

santapaws




msg:3625221
 8:30 am on Apr 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

It's got nothing to do with where you're hosted.

i think it may have a lot to do with it. If its hosted, registered in canada. If its linked to by lots of Canadian sites or any other factors that point to it being Canadian based then this can see your site being geo placed by google. Is it even a .com? I believe without a .com you are fighting a losing battle to rank well anywhere but your local placing. At the end of the day this is something we all suffer with geo placed domains. Google weights local searches so your local scoring is helping your canada results.

privatebox




msg:3625223
 8:36 am on Apr 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

This really bugs me aye, till now i thought i was #1-3.. in the US im abot 103!

wheel




msg:3625305
 2:42 pm on Apr 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Ranking in Google.com from what little I've seen doesn't have anything to do with location in Canada or the US. Moving your hosting location to the US won't likely help (again, from what little I've seen). There's a ton of companies hosted in Canada or the US whose geo location is the other country. I did some crawling a while ago and it's not happening a little - it's happening a lot. The border is transparent in terms of hosting companies and Google should know this.

Plus, there's plenty of indications that Canadian hosted sites rank well in the US. Again, many of occurrences of this.

I believe it works like this. Google.com are the main set of results. Google.ca is a subset of those results, or ranked in a different order with more emphasis on something Canadian. Google.ca 'sites in Canada' a subset of Google.ca with emphasis on Canadian IP address.

Canadian hosting does help in the .ca results, but I don't believe Canadian hosting bars one from ranking in the .coms. Canadian hosting = US hosting from Google.com's perspective (again, just based on what I've seen). It's just that it's tougher to get to the top on Google.com because Google.ca filters differently.

What the OP is seeing in google.com isn't a penalty or a result of being located in Canada. It's the result of being ranked at spot 40-50. They can move up by getting more backlinks, same as anyone else at spot 40-50. In other words, ignore the .ca results - the problem is nothing more than you're ranking on the 4th page.

Good_Vibes




msg:3625309
 2:51 pm on Apr 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

Wheel, that makes sense to me.
(The site is a .com btw)

I suspected it was simply more competition in google.com than in google.ca, and we definitely have a lot of "canadian" sites linking to us.

The transparent border makes sense too. I knew people were speculating on Canadian hosting being a factor, but that didn't make sense.

My main concern was about a penalty in Google.com for sites that Google deem are "Canadian". I needed to figure out if I should make the site "American", or if I should just do more SEO on it.

Any thoughts?

outland88




msg:3625477
 7:39 pm on Apr 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

I interpret it the way Wheel does but with regard to US results there are a lot more filters and penalties not related to country. The US results give a definite bent toward informational sites with little optimization.

The question though that comes to mind is why aren't the US results returning a preferred US results like all other countries. Its really bad that so many companies are posing as US based and the identity is so well hidden that purchasers of products can't identify where they're purchasing from.

wheel




msg:3625502
 8:25 pm on Apr 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

>>>The question though that comes to mind is why aren't the US results returning a preferred US results like all other countries.

Because for the google.com results, distinguishing based on location of IP address is a poor indicator - because so many American's host in Canada - and the reverse is true as well. If you're trying to rank in Google.ca, get hosted in Canada absolutely. If you're trying to rank in Google.com, I don't think hosting in Canada or the US makes much material difference.

That doesn't make a bunch of sense neccessarily, but matches what I've seen happening.

outland88




msg:3625587
 12:11 am on Apr 13, 2008 (gmt 0)

What I'm referring to is if you go to any country search engine you get a checkbox for pages from the UK, India, France etc. In other words you can limit the results to be predominantly from that country. It should be the same for the US. People want to know where they'll have to return merchandise and request refunds. To many web sites are obscuring this information to make sales in the US. Regardless of the IP issue some sites will always operate honestly and others not. The US results should have a similar option as all other countries already have.

DLadybug




msg:3625734
 8:21 am on Apr 13, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hi! One idea, Hit the google webmaster tools and put your physical location on the map. Having that walk-up location will help. Your market is hugely packed but not that many have a physical location so you can work that advantage.

Good_Vibes




msg:3626389
 1:13 pm on Apr 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

"Hit the google webmaster tools and put your physical location on the map."

That's worth a try!

Anyone have any other ideas?

UserAgent




msg:3626699
 8:12 pm on Apr 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

Like many others have mentioned in this thread, you are not getting penalized for hosting in Canada, but on the contrary you are benefiting from this factor for the .ca serp ranking.

privatebox




msg:3630315
 5:48 am on Apr 19, 2008 (gmt 0)

"Hit the google webmaster tools and put your physical location on the map."

That's worth a try!

Anyone have any other ideas?

This does not work if you have a country specific domain, GWT tells you that its already done. This isn't good enough, many local sites want to be out there in the global stage. I don't think this is very good at all. However I have come to to conclusion that It may just be a matter of time till you achieve the top results in the international searches.

BlueSkyIS




msg:3631738
 7:49 pm on Apr 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

I am in a situation where the opposite has occurred. We moved from a host that was owned by a US company to a host owned by a Canadian company. Several months later, ALL of our US google keywords fell dramatically, but the same keywords have maintained or improved their positions on ALL other data centers/google nationalities we have checked.

This drop occurred back in mid-late January and our rankings in the US have not recovered while our rankings outside of the US are similar or better than they have always been. Comments?

[edited by: BlueSkyIS at 7:50 pm (utc) on April 21, 2008]

outland88




msg:3631817
 10:03 pm on Apr 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

One of the most reliable hosts I have experienced sits in Canada. I haven't recorded any downtime from them for eight years because they use a server set-up I am true believer in. Only a few US companies utilize it. I was serious about moving other sites to them but was leery because of what BlueSkyIs mentioned so I nixed the idea Friday.

I actually think one of our sites is erroneously targeted to India by Google. I sit number one on three major keywords in India that I gave up on years back in the US after the Florida update. It has nothing to do with the optimization because I see far better optimizers than me.

internetheaven




msg:3634890
 10:23 am on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

Good_Vibes - who is your domain registered with. It wouldn't happen to be GoDaddy would it?

Good_Vibes




msg:3634974
 1:06 pm on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

No, we are with www.ecohosting.net

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