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Directory's PR went down after adding nofollow - how do I get it back up?
yosmc




msg:3616973
 10:42 am on Apr 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

I run a fairly successful directory (blue widgets - what else?). Or should I say I *ran*? Here's what happened:

Around Xmas I had a bit of time on my hands, so I decided to catch up on my SEO skills. Upon doing so I stumbled accross an interview with Matt Cutts where he says that using the nofollow tag is now an official and "legal" way to channel Pagerank within a site. Yay! Still made me nervous, so I did a bit of extra research on my favorite webmaster site ( [webmasterworld.com...] ) just to make sure that, by nofollowing the external links in the directory, I'm not essentially presenting Google an empty page. All seemed good, so I went to work:

- I equipped the vast majority of the external links in my directory with "nofollow" tags.
- At the same time, I also changed those links from direct links to redirects (theothersite(dot)com -> myownsite(dot)com?linkID=1234).

Result: Only three months later, all my directory pages have been "rewarded" with a PR0.

Now I feel (and probably look) stupid. Even after the fact, I have no idea what I did wrong. And I don't feel guilty either (although I would like to, because then at least I'd know something I don't know right now).

From my analysis, changing the links to redirects can't be the issue. Remember that all those links are also *nofollowed* so Google shouldn't care where the links are pointing to (they're ignoring them, right?).

So my only conclusion is that putting the nofollow tags up made Google believe I'm running a spammy, free-to-add collection of link pages with links I don't trust, but nothing else. Which is cool as long as they say that nofollow should only be used to mark the spammy links you don't trust. Which they don't anymore.

So in the end, I am just very confused I guess.

[edited by: tedster at 3:52 pm (utc) on April 2, 2008]
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tedster




msg:3617271
 3:54 pm on Apr 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

You mention the PR0 but not your rankings and traffic. Have those gone downhill too?

yosmc




msg:3617375
 5:34 pm on Apr 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

Not much harm done to the rankings yet. After I made the changes I climbed from #8 or 9 up to #4, last couple of weeks it's been going downhill again to a current #10. The #10 isn't an issue (well aware that I haven't booked my spots), but I'm afraid of the tendency and what might still be to come. I definitely don't consider the PR0 pages a good sign, nor do I like the fact that the front page's PR has dropped a notch. In my ears it sounds more like a wakeup call to act before I get completely eliminated from the index (it's a fairly old and long-standing widget site - which might be the reason why it's not gone already).

Do you read this differently?

tedster




msg:3617390
 5:50 pm on Apr 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

I don't think there's any causal connection between you adding nofollow to external links and seeing your PR fall. There have been a flood of reports of inexplicable PR0 pages in recent weeks. These drops have often not been reflected in the SERPs,and the SERPs are quite volatile right now anyway.

I just ignore Toolbar PR in these cases and occasionally curse at Google's handling of the whole nofollow and paid links thing. Just be sure you didn't accidentally add nofollow to your internal links ;)

As for how to get PR to go up - it just takes more good backlinks.

jhnrang




msg:3617412
 6:27 pm on Apr 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

I would not worry too much into the PR of your inside pages at this moment.
If people have noticed Google is playing with webmasters about this PR thing.
Normally, the toolbar PR export shows the latest PR snapshots. But the last PR snapshot was taken on 28th/29th December (not applicable for brand new sites/pages which all have PR0 - almost like in general.). In between we had two PR exports.
So next PR update is going to show the changes you made if it is after 29th December.

yosmc




msg:3617416
 6:30 pm on Apr 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hm. Did I mention that I also run a fairly successful directory on red widgets? Only two big differences - I didn't nofollow the links, and the pagerank didn't drop.

Other indicators: I'm not someone who makes radical changes to the site every other week, and then barks up the next best tree for any change in Google SERPs or PR. When I change up my strategy for the first time in years, and then something like this happens, then it sticks out to me though.

I've also seen Google's inexplicable PR0 pages on some of my other sites (usually on fringe pages), but here we're talking about an entire site. To me that smells differently.

Alright I'm not trying to convince you. ;) The reason I'm putting up so much resistance is because I'm trying to get a couple more arguments out of you. If I can't then I'll probably change the site back to the original state, minus one page for testing purposes.

Thanks for your feedback - much appreciated!

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