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What to do with these spammer urls in the SERP?
stevelibby




msg:3611484
 7:47 pm on Mar 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

Since my site had a problem a few years back to which i still have not a clue what happened i have worked really hard to get it straight. A few months ago g seemed correct any issues that may have been.

Over the past few weeks when you type domain in the results have gone from 4000 to 8000 now to 16000 which sounds good, backlinks are also on the increase, however my domain has fallen of off top spot again and appears in 30 ish.

I have dug deeper into the results only to notice that there are sites where the description has my web address in it but the title is adult related and when you click on the link it redirects to an adult movie.

There not one site there are loads of them. I have tried the server headers and it doesnt note the redirect i am wondering whether this has something to do with some of the hassle i have had wih the web site over the past few years.

What can i do about it, can i report this to google? can i talk to matt cutts, what can i do?

[edited by: tedster at 7:53 pm (utc) on Mar. 26, 2008]

 

tedster




msg:3611502
 8:02 pm on Mar 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

I want to be sure we understand - is this correct: The clickable title in the SERP is adult related, but the description snippet underneath that title includes your domain in the text - and this result is now outranking your actual domain.

In that situation there wouldn't need to be any re-direct, but it's not clear why it would outrank your actual domain. If your domain is example.com, and you type example.com into Google, you are coming up at #30 or so? That is usually a strong penalty showing loss of trust at Google. Usually penalties that severe are handed out for playing around with backlinks and redirects.

stevelibby




msg:3611622
 10:13 pm on Mar 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hi
no, they are not outranking my domain, but i am very concerned given the number if these links

benneve




msg:3612543
 6:38 pm on Mar 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

you are being google bowled my friend - a common practice among some to get rid of competition.

[edited by: tedster at 1:45 am (utc) on June 6, 2008]

Lorel




msg:3612559
 6:54 pm on Mar 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

Also be sure your site isn't on shared hosting with the other site, i.e., on the same IP address as the other site. I've seen similar results in serps when this occurs. If that is the case just ask your host for a dedicated IP address.

stevelibby




msg:3612713
 9:04 pm on Mar 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

is there not a way to combat the google bowl?

tedster




msg:3612720
 9:22 pm on Mar 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

The best defense is a strong backlink profile - other sites who genuinely link to you because they feel your site is good for their visitors to know about. Entires in a few of the very top level directories can also help, but usually not free directories, FFA sites, reciprocal links etc.

This kind of intentional disruption of the competition is really not an "seo specialist" kind of thing, in my opinion. It takes no expertise at all, and it is essentially a plague on the web that gives REAL seo a bad name. It's in the same category as the 302 hijacking wars of a few years back. It's like kids scuffiling on the playground, and not professional seo work.

Unfortunately, it can also be effective at times - and Google has their hands full combatting the distortions in produces. So consider your own backlink profile to be like your body's immune system. We all get exposed to the same germs, but only some of us get sick. Get the strong antibodies in there and you won't get sick as easily.

However, I'm still not convinced this is actually what the problem is in your case, Steve. Seeing your "web address" in the description or snippet is not the same thing as a real link - anchor tag and all. It sounds more like scraper behavior and autogenerated pages. Thatkind of thing is not done to disrupt you, but only to trick Google into sending traffic to them. A strong backlink profile works even better to avoid that kind of damage.

chrisv1963




msg:3613159
 11:27 am on Mar 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

Benneve, you wrote "Sometimes clients will give us $90 to go out and buy 10,000!"
Does this mean you are using this criminal technique also? It has nothing to with being an "SEO specialist". It looks more like black hat, theft, ...

stevelibby




msg:3615669
 9:17 pm on Mar 31, 2008 (gmt 0)

i have now gon eup to 19200 from 17000?
Something is going on here, is it google bowl or is it that google has let the chains of this website and said go, go and enjoy?

internetheaven




msg:3616910
 9:05 am on Apr 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

I have dug deeper into the results only to notice that there are sites where the description has my web address in it but the title is adult related and when you click on the link it redirects to an adult movie

We're having the same thing happen to us. These pages also try and get you to download software to view the movie so I have been reporting them through the malware section of Google as well as the spam report section. They are serving up cloaked content, a cache of the page shows a scraped version of our content but when a user goes to the page you get adult content and a bunch of "Download now" alert messages.

stevelibby




msg:3617008
 11:20 am on Apr 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

internetheaven, has it affected you serps position?

internetheaven




msg:3617471
 7:35 pm on Apr 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

internetheaven, has it affected you serps position?

We act pretty quickly on them so I doubt they get the chance, we have a copyright service that notifies us if new pages with our content emerge and we have Google Alerts too.

We didn't use to be so vigilant and some pages of our site that ha been stolen were removed from the Google index - replaced with the spam sites!

The best defense is a strong backlink profile

I agree, but most of the strength lies in our main pages. Scrapers steal alot of inner page content which isn't so strong. We had 10+ pages of our site linking in to these pages that disappeared - each was PR3-PR4 and had 50-2000 backlinks. How strong must you be for Google to recognise you're not the thief?

stevelibby




msg:3618490
 8:32 pm on Apr 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

whats the difference between results for "domain" and link:domain?

tedster




msg:3618568
 10:50 pm on Apr 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

"domain" is a normal search - it will return urls that use the character string "domain".

"link:domain" uses one of Google's special operators, link: - it will return a sample of the links that point to the domain...but note that you need the full domain name including the tld extension.

You can do the first search for either "example" or "example.com" and get the appropriate results for each of those two character strings. But if you skip the extension on the link: operator, the results you get will assume that the colon is a word separator, not a special operator.

stevelibby




msg:3620042
 8:37 pm on Apr 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

i have now gone up too 24000 when i search domain, is this good givent the above?

stevelibby




msg:3620816
 12:46 pm on Apr 7, 2008 (gmt 0)

now gone up to 27000

5ubliminal




msg:3620824
 1:06 pm on Apr 7, 2008 (gmt 0)

Don't look at the result count they provide. Go further down serps using 100 results per page. The further you go the smaller the number becomes and close to reality.

I have a site showing 1200 pages but if you hit second page (100 per page) they only show 120. But ... the site has 1200 pages for real and Google got them all. I think this update has some major discrepancies between result count and what they show you.

It's troubled times right now but never have I seen Google report so large differences between estimated count (the corner one) and 'real' count (the one you get when you go some pages down the serps).

Wait a bit. Don't make any sudden movements / changes.

adcoutkast




msg:3620892
 2:25 pm on Apr 7, 2008 (gmt 0)

Adult content kills a site? My site, using PPC adwords with placement through the content network shows on an adult site! Does that mean that Google is "trying" to kill my site? How can they penalize a site for having links from known adult sites but then turn around and place adwords sites on adult pages via google syndication? Im confused!

[edited by: tedster at 4:18 pm (utc) on April 7, 2008]

5ubliminal




msg:3620923
 2:53 pm on Apr 7, 2008 (gmt 0)

adcoutkast:
Adult content kills a site?

Yeah :( Adult content causes addiction and kills lives too! It's sad...

[edited by: tedster at 4:19 pm (utc) on April 7, 2008]

stevelibby




msg:3625327
 3:00 pm on Apr 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

In my webmaster tools, my other sites show in the statistics the following:
[Phrases][Keywords][Content]
But this site that i`m having issues with Shows
[Phrases][Content]
[Phrases] Which Show 56
[Content] Diddly Squat and no keywords
This must be a major factor in my upsidedownness in Google, yet the other engines are doing fine?

stevelibby




msg:3625436
 6:29 pm on Apr 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

I got a resonse from another forum and my site returns a 403 error against server headers when you use the head function, get is fine. What does this mean?

tedster




msg:3625662
 4:27 am on Apr 13, 2008 (gmt 0)

403 Forbidden HTTP status code [en.wikipedia.org]

stevelibby




msg:3625846
 2:00 pm on Apr 13, 2008 (gmt 0)

i think i may have found my nugget of gold. one of my other sites has fallen of the wagon train in the past month and i have just checked the server headers and that one also returns 403 errors of a head response. Also the reporting in the webmastertools is also not reading correctly. I shall phone my web host to find out whats, what

stevelibby




msg:3626450
 2:41 pm on Apr 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

Ok, webhosts did not have much to say, but what would expect from 1st line support. However the issue is now fixed and i will return to this post to let you know if this has rectified google webmatertolls reporting tools.

yobaby




msg:3626488
 3:26 pm on Apr 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

This has become a common pratice to get your traffic. I was seeing 100's of them doing 302's to other sites.

Trademark your name look up the domain owners do a header check see were the 302's are hitting most are then be redirected from another site. Look up all whois on all of the sites find a common bond. Link them together and send the offending sites an email to delete your trademarked name.

Send Google a DMAC on the offending sites as well as a spam report on them. If they have your domain name in the description then they are in violation of Trademark laws.

There is a huge toss up on this but my belief this can hurt your rankings.

Do not allow this to continue do everthing you can to stop and shut down the sites attacking your domain name.

Consider this as an act of War and right now they are winning.

stevelibby




msg:3628078
 11:31 am on Apr 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

Google webmastertools in now reporting properly for 'what google bot sees.

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