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PR4 to PR0 overnight penalized?
Kraize




msg:3542743
 12:49 am on Jan 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

My site went from a PR4 to a PR0 overnight. It wasn't just the index but every page on the site.

I still show up in the rankings so I'm not sure if I've been penalized or not.

Has anyone else had their page rank wiped over the last few days?

Any way I can find out what I did? Or if this is a bug?

Thanks

 

g1smd




msg:3542758
 1:44 am on Jan 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

What do you get for these two searches?

site:domain.com -inurl:www

site:www.domain.com

Kraize




msg:3542770
 2:18 am on Jan 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

For site:domain.com -inurl:www I got 620.

For site:www.domain.com I got 6,900

g1smd




msg:3542774
 2:23 am on Jan 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

You have a serious duplicate content issue (maybe several issues) to fix.

g1smd




msg:3542775
 2:24 am on Jan 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

Do the internal pages of your site link back to "home" as "/index.html" (or some other named filename) or simply as "/"?

What does Google list as the URL of the root page of the site?

Is that listed root page the first result in a site: search?

Kraize




msg:3542776
 2:29 am on Jan 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

" Do the internal pages of your site link back to "home" as "/index.html" (or some other named filename) or simply as "/"?"

Just /

"What does Google list as the root page of the site?"

The Home Page

"Is that root page the fist result in a site: search?"

Yes.

g1smd




msg:3542777
 2:38 am on Jan 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

What does Google list as the URL of the root page of the site?

Does a URL like www.yoursite.com/index.html still directly show the root page of your site?

koolkaptain




msg:3542804
 4:11 am on Jan 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

Hi Kraize,

A blogger I know had the same problem two weeks ago -- PR dropped from 4 to 0 overnight. He didn't even have paid text link ads or paid reviews.

He appealed to Google, and they gave his PR4 back after 2 or 3 days. Apparently, Google messed it up somewhere (I think).

cheesy snacks




msg:3543066
 1:54 pm on Jan 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

What do you get for these two searches?

site:domain.com -inurl:www

site:www.domain.com

Hi, could you just explain how to use this tool and what it shows?

tedster




msg:3543282
 5:18 pm on Jan 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

The first search should show only urls that Google has in the index that do not use the "www". The second should show only urls that do use the www subdomain. This gives you a picture of how much your site is affected by this kind of "canonical issue".

See Why Does Google Treat "www" & "no-www" As Different? [webmasterworld.com]. That thread is one that we feature in the Hot Topics area [webmasterworld.com], which is always pinned to the top of this forum's index page.

abrahamsson1




msg:3544258
 6:48 pm on Jan 9, 2008 (gmt 0)

I have the same problem with < my website > :( can't help to cry

[edited by: tedster at 6:50 pm (utc) on Jan. 9, 2008]
[edit reason] no personal sites, please [/edit]

carminejg3




msg:3544575
 3:12 am on Jan 10, 2008 (gmt 0)

Also take note...

that when you use

site:domain.com -inurl:www

if you use any subdomains like news.domain.com they will show up

McMohan




msg:3544638
 5:01 am on Jan 10, 2008 (gmt 0)

g1smd
Do the internal pages of your site link back to "home" as "/index.html" (or some other named filename) or simply as "/"?

Is this question directed at knowing if the site could have duplicate issue with the home page as - / and index.htm?

If a site has its internal pages linking to the home as index.htm and Google still shows only one listing (/ or index.htm) do you reckon it shouldn't concern much?

MLHmptn




msg:3544738
 9:59 am on Jan 10, 2008 (gmt 0)

PR update in progress....

McMohan




msg:3544753
 10:38 am on Jan 10, 2008 (gmt 0)

MLHmptn, can you tell which DC?

mr_vegas




msg:3544926
 2:59 pm on Jan 10, 2008 (gmt 0)

same here, i went down over night and my projekt is from 2001. i had over 40 000 links from PR 7 - 1...i really dunno what is wrong now but it seems that my work the last years was for the ass...its not that my users are gone, but the PR was my sign to show success...

Gavolar




msg:3545132
 5:52 pm on Jan 10, 2008 (gmt 0)

Same just happened to me :(
I have had the site since 03. In that time it has ranked as high PR7 but been a PR4 since two updates ago.
I had the 31 penalty for about a year and a half. Got out of that about 3 months ago.

I have done virtually nothing to it the past year and a half, and started only yesterday exchanging links.
Next thing I know PR0!
The site:domain.com -inurl:www is the same number.

I'm hoping it is an error although I do sell the odd text link now and again.
koolkaptain
He appealed to Google, and they gave his PR4 back after 2 or 3 days

What's the best way to contact G on this issue?

g1smd




msg:3545258
 8:55 pm on Jan 10, 2008 (gmt 0)

If you are linking to /index.html and Google is listing / in the SERPs then you are wasting all your internal PageRank by linking to the wrong one.

McMohan




msg:3545563
 4:09 am on Jan 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

If you are linking to /index.html and Google is listing / in the SERPs then you are wasting all your internal PageRank by linking to the wrong one.

I am not sure if I am with you on that point g1smd. The fact that Google returns / for a homepage that is index.htm, shouldn't it indicate that Google has merged index.htm into /?

Plus, when the link command in Google for / shows internal pages as linking to it, while they actually link with index.htm, doesn't it show that those internal links are not wasted?

[edited by: McMohan at 4:11 am (utc) on Jan. 11, 2008]

Halfdeck




msg:3545569
 4:36 am on Jan 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

"I am not sure if I am with you on that point g1smd. The fact that Google returns / for a homepage that is index.htm, shouldn't it indicate that Google has merged index.htm into /?"

Google may do some of the housecleaning for you, but you are still "wasting" link juice. Whether that's an insignificant or a major issue depends on the site.

For example, if you disallow duplicate content URLs using robots.txt, that still doesn't prevent those URLs from accumulating PageRank even if those URLs no longer show up in search results.

tedster




msg:3545574
 4:45 am on Jan 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

Yes, you still can find instances where index.html and the domain root have different PageRank, so it's best to make sure.

McMohan




msg:3545598
 5:22 am on Jan 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

I agree, not doing the house cleaning on our part will open up chances of going wrong, with likely indexing of both / and index.htm.

I was contesting the suggestion that linking to home with index.htm, when Google has only retained /, will waste the link juice from inner pages. But the idea that doing so may lead to potential issues, I agree with.

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