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Using Meta Refresh for redirect - when 301 is not possible
Ann4SEO

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Msg#: 3514320 posted 10:42 am on Nov 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hello,

This forum has always helped me to find a solution to my problems. Today I am again in a confusion about redirects.

One of my client website is in shared server & cannot do 301 redirect for some reason. After going through few forums, I found that we can think of using Meta Refresh with delay as 0 for redirecting purpose. This Meta Refresh with content delay as 0 will be treated like 301 redirect.

But to my knowledge, I know that Meta Refresh are consider as temporary redirect.

Recently, my client was using Javascript redirect in html pages to redirect it to asp pages. This resulted in decline of hits in the website. But when i changed to Meta Refresh redirect, I found that within a few weeks all my backlinks of html web pages are showing for asp pages.

I know many of you are thinking what is my confusion? Well my question is simple, "Is using Meta Refresh can harm my website? Is Meta Refresh is recommended to the website where 301 redirect is not possible?"

Please do reply.

Thanks & Regards -- Ann

 

rainborick

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Msg#: 3514320 posted 2:14 pm on Nov 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

A <meta> refresh with a time setting of 0 will be treated like a 301 redirect by both Google and Yahoo!. I recommend that you completely replace any page you need to redirect in this manner with a simple page announcing the move and a plain link to the same page as the refresh URL.

<meta> refreshes used to be a popular SPAMming method on doorway pages that would sometimes get you penalized, but the search engines' attitude towards them changed several years ago. I suspect that the increasing availability of low-cost hosting drew so many people away from the free hosting services prompted this change. In any event, you can use it without worries.

Robert Charlton

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Msg#: 3514320 posted 6:32 pm on Nov 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

A <meta> refresh with a time setting of 0 will be treated like a 301 redirect by both Google and Yahoo!.

There's some discussion about this on this Sept 2007 thread...

301 Redirect with regards to passing PR
meta or .htaccess for google
[webmasterworld.com...]

As I mention, conventional wisdom has changed in this area... and while I can find official confirmation that Yahoo treats a "little or no delay" meta refresh as a 301, I can't find such official confirmation for Google. Lots of discussion... no official reference yet.

The Yahoo delay for treatment as a 301, by the way, per Tim Mayer, is one-second or less. I'd keep it at 0.

Robert Charlton

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Msg#: 3514320 posted 6:37 pm on Nov 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

<meta> refreshes used to be a popular SPAMming method on doorway pages that would sometimes get you penalized, but the search engines' attitude towards them changed several years ago.

As I mention in the thread referenced above, in a 301, the redirected page isn't seen. If the engines treat a 0 meta refresh as a 301, then possibly this spamming technique is disabled, as the "old" page's optimized content is disregarded.

Bddmed

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Msg#: 3514320 posted 3:24 pm on Nov 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

Just one more thing to consider. By using meta refresh you'll kill the back-button in IE. FF and Opera seem to know you want to skip the redirect page.

Ann4SEO

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Msg#: 3514320 posted 8:05 am on Dec 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

First of all I would like to thank all of you for replying to my question.

I have read that yahoo is regarding Meta Refresh with content delay 0 as 301 redirect. But I couldn't find anything such from Google.

Since I get a majority hits from Google, I am worrying about the changes. Well I had changed the redirect from Javascript to Meta Refresh last month only. After a week or two, I found that the back links of html pages are showing for asp web pages.

But after a month, When I saw the hit reports, I found there is a huge difference in Google referrals i.e. 7.5K(Oct '07) to 6.8K(Nov '07) which ultimately resulted in decline in Overall Hits.

Pages are well crawled by Google. I don't know what went wrong with the website.

mirrornl

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Msg#: 3514320 posted 8:00 pm on Dec 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Ann...let me get this straight..
" 7.5K(Oct '07) to 6.8K(Nov '07)"
is not a very very big difference is it?

For me, your issue is also very important.
I have a rather old website on a free server, on wich i cannot acces the server to place a 301.
I thought a meta refresh would just send the traffic over like a normal redirect... but are the searchengines seeing it as a 301?
You see new backlinks for the asp pages?
Is pr also transferred?
Are your new pages in the SERPS replacing your old urls?

rainborick

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Msg#: 3514320 posted 5:25 am on Dec 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

There is a back-handed confirmation of the technique in the Google Webmaster discussion group at [groups.google.com...]
where a Googler says they prefer 301's to meta refresh. I also asked the same Googler for a clarification in the Webmaster Blog in comments on a recent article discussing meta tags, but there's been no response.

Ann4SEO

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Msg#: 3514320 posted 5:26 am on Dec 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

@mirrornl
Ann...let me get this straight..
" 7.5K(Oct '07) to 6.8K(Nov '07)"
is not a very very big difference is it?

For me, your issue is also very important.
I have a rather old website on a free server, on wich i cannot acces the server to place a 301.
I thought a meta refresh would just send the traffic over like a normal redirect... but are the searchengines seeing it as a 301?
You see new backlinks for the asp pages?
Is pr also transferred?
Are your new pages in the SERPS replacing your old urls?


Hi,
Yes, my new pages are having the PR which we had for old pages. Also they have started showing it in SERP.

I was worrying because of decline in Google referrals. Everything is positive means good PR, good backlinks then what could be the reason for fall in referrals. I know its not a big difference for a huge website but for a smaller website even hundreds make a difference.

I told my client its because of festivals in India. But just thinking,
Can a festive season effects the online traffic?

jomaxx

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Msg#: 3514320 posted 6:16 am on Dec 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

Note that even if you don't have the ability to use a .htaccess file, you can do a 301 by using PHP or Perl or by using a C program (which would need to be compiled).

Ann4SEO

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Msg#: 3514320 posted 7:04 am on Dec 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

Note that even if you don't have the ability to use a .htaccess file, you can do a 301 by using PHP or Perl or by using a C program (which would need to be compiled).

Hi jomaxx,
This can be possible when you are redirecting from asp to asp or php. But in case of html to asp, we cannot use asp redirect in html web page. Then either you have to use javascript or meta redirect when we don't have a option of 301 redirect.

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