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Link Generation Speed
theyellowfrog




msg:3504827
 5:23 pm on Nov 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hi All,
i was wondering if anyone had an experience with the speed of link building in relation toi their sites rankings. I have many sites and on the sites where i have built links more slowly i seem to have achieved better rankings. DOes anyone else notice the same or is it relevant to the industry compeitiveness.

I am stgarting a new site for one of the most competitive terms online and am not sure how to go about linking in terms of the volume of links to go for per month. I understand less is safe but at 1 link a day it will take me about40 years to get the number 1 spot. Any ideas welcomed.

Thanks

Robert

 

idolw




msg:3504872
 5:55 pm on Nov 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

slow but steady wins the race...
...if there are no quick and steady opponents ;)

theyellowfrog




msg:3504884
 6:07 pm on Nov 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hi,
agreed with your comments but i have the following points:-

1)I have added a directory on one of my sites, this is supposed to be a useful resource, i want the companies i linked to to link back. I will see a sudden surge in links due to this but the site is better as a result of my directory, why should that be punished.

2) New sites that are of interest to people may see sudden surges in links as the buzz about them takes off, would such sites be punished? i think not.

3) i have old sites which dont have many links, i suddenly am putting hours of work into them and i expect links to take off for them, will this sudden surge harm me?

4)I used to be prominent in seo 4 years ago, i sold up and had a break. Now im back the question arises of how is a webmaster supposed to make any serious money out of a site within a year assuming that youre not allowed to prosper with incoming links too fast?

Thanks for any replies

RObert

tedster




msg:3504898
 6:16 pm on Nov 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

It's not just speed - it's the quality and nature of the linking sites that Google measures in many different ways. They do have benchmarks for what is "natural" growth under many different scenarios, and a degree of burstiness IS natural.

Beachboy




msg:3504932
 6:49 pm on Nov 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

Unless a site name includes its most important kw phrase, you can make the assumption that most links going to it are relatively inefficient, meaning that you can beat the pants off that site with fewer, more efficient links.

theyellowfrog




msg:3504950
 7:08 pm on Nov 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

HI Beachboy,
im not at my sharpest today :( would you mind elaborating on your point i didnt understand what you meant.

Thanks

Robert

ftwb05




msg:3504968
 7:30 pm on Nov 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

If you're building links manually, with e-mail requests, responses, etc, unless you have a team of people helping you, you're unlikely to reach the level of link building that would cause problems.
The bad boys create thousands and thousands of links very quickly, they'll get caught out, or maybe not ;-)!
For a link to be worth anything it should be from a related page / site with natural anchor text, or so the general consensus goes.
Try and find a reputable links broker that specializes in your field, and they'll send you plenty of requests for links, usually from OK sites, but they tend to be "growers" that is new sites. This sort of link will grow in value over time.
You need lots of patience.
Good luck.

pageoneresults




msg:3504987
 7:40 pm on Nov 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

1) I have added a directory on one of my sites, this is supposed to be a useful resource, i want the companies i linked to to link back. I will see a sudden surge in links due to this but the site is better as a result of my directory, why should that be punished.

Those things are typically more of an "anchor" in the true sense of the word. Get rid of it if you can.

2) New sites that are of interest to people may see sudden surges in links as the buzz about them takes off, would such sites be punished? i think not.

There are Google Patents that discuss this in great detail. All sites have a profile. Here is one excerpt from one of those patents...

59. The method of claim 58, wherein the adjusting the ranking includes penalizing the ranking if the longevity indicates a short life for the linkage data and boosting the ranking if the longevity indicates a long life for the linkage data.

3) i have old sites which dont have many links, i suddenly am putting hours of work into them and i expect links to take off for them, will this sudden surge harm me?

It may or may not. If the type of surge is related to the type of activity you describe above, I don't think there will be much credit given. And, since you have that "anchor" attached to your site, your going to provide the final piece of closing the loop, a link back. That should cause some issues. ;)

4) I used to be prominent in seo 4 years ago, i sold up and had a break. Now im back the question arises of how is a webmaster supposed to make any serious money out of a site within a year assuming that youre not allowed to prosper with incoming links too fast?

Do something better than everyone else. If you don't do it better, you're going to end up like "most" everyone else, struggling for bits and pieces of the bone.

Beachboy




msg:3505009
 7:53 pm on Nov 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

Yellowfrog, here is an example:

1. Site name: Bob's Yellow Widgets

People will usually link to your site with the site name in the anchor text. Therefore, if "yellow widgets" is your most important kw phrase, you can expect those links to impart maximum value to being ranked for that kw phrase.

2. Site name: Bob's Fun Things

People will usually link to your site with the site name in the anchor text. Therefore you will rank high for "fun things," but if your most important kw phrase is "yellow widgets," it will be a struggle to get ranked. The kw efficiency will be way lower.

Conclusion: Include your most important kw phrase in the site name. And try to get links from related widget sites, too. Very important.

theyellowfrog




msg:3505042
 8:28 pm on Nov 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

Thanks for your replies. What i have gathered from these posts is that links should be sustainable in their volume.

Also beachboy, thats what i thought your post meant. Domain names used to be huge in rankings but i had assumed that they had lessened in value. Is there any evidence that suggest that links with link text "apples" to www.widget.com are not very valueable to rank for the phrase apples? I would have thougth that the overalltheming of the site was more important than the domain, i am however open to being wrong :)

Also, is it fair to say that by owning the relevant keyword domain you will bypass a spam anchor text policy. I.E you own widgets .com you have 1000 links to you saying widgets, you will not be poenalised for overuse of the same anchor text as you own the name widgets.com.

sandpetra




msg:3505396
 3:32 am on Nov 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

Consistent = natural

I'd take one decent link a month over 100 links a month from crap sites.

Tho getting 101 links a month feels good.

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