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How does Page Rank flow through a link - from a PR4 home page?
Patrick_010




msg:3496358
 1:31 am on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hello,

I have a question about pagerank. My friend owns a website related to my websites content and he's willing to put a link on his homepage to me. He's website is PR4 and he has 0 outbound links atm. So no PR flowing out to any other sites except mine when he puts up the link.

How much pagerank would i get from that website? I read on a few websites that if a site with PR links to you and has no other outbound links you would get the same PR as the website linking to you. However i doubt this so i came here to ask if this is true.

If it's not true how much PR can i expect to get from a PR4 site who has only 1 outbound link thats pointing to my website?

PS: Im sorry if i posted this in the wrong forum. I couldent find a more fitting category.

Thank you for your time!

Patrick

 

jomaxx




msg:3496373
 1:47 am on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

I think you have to count all spiderable links, not just outbound links.

Patrick_010




msg:3496382
 2:06 am on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

As i understood it the value of the link only decreases if the websites has more outbound links. It doesent matter if the website linking to me has 1 or 200 pages. Aslong as im the only outgoing link the worth of the link would not decrease. Or am i wrong?

We are talking about a link on the homepage btw.

Marcia




msg:3496392
 2:32 am on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

The PR is divvied up among all the links on the page, internal and external, not just the outbounds.

Patrick_010




msg:3496400
 2:46 am on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Would that mean if he removed all his sub pages and sticked with the homepage only his PR would go up? As i understood it this is not true unless you setup your site in a bad way.
PR flows trough the website but aslong as all links point back to eachother the PR does not "leak" But im a newbie in this area so correct me if im wrong. An explanation would also be welcome if im wrong.

I believe the home page would only loose PR if the internal links the homepage links to does not link back to the homepage.

Anyway. The homepage has PR4. One outbound link to me.
What kind of PR can my website expect to get from that?

Marcia




msg:3496429
 3:29 am on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

How many links to other pages on his site are there on the homepage? How many links altogether? And what's the PR of the pages inside the site, one click away from the homepage?

jomaxx




msg:3496482
 4:55 am on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Patrick, you've gotten the exact same answer twice now. Maybe you should consider the possibility it's correct.

kneoteric_V




msg:3496494
 5:24 am on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hi All,

My opinion on the topic is a little diferent. It has been fairly established that Page Rank now only has cosmetic value. The relevance of the page from where the link is coming from is the deciding factor and should be given more importance.

The popular search engines are known to ignore links obtained from irrelevant pages, even if the PR were high.
The only tangible benefit that can be expected from a link is the classified traffic, and not necessarily the PR.

Hence, the PR value being transferred or not assumes academic significance.

Prashant
Kneoteric

Patrick_010




msg:3496504
 6:07 am on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

@marcia

about 25 pages

homepage has page rank 4.
other pages 1 click away page rank 3

@jomaxx

I dident get any specific answer to my question which was how much PR boost i can expect my website to get from a pagerank 4 page... with 1 outbound link to me.

And offcourse im willing to consider the possibility that its correct. Im just asking for an explanation as to why. Because i honestly dont get it.

What i understand from the answers is that the pagerank my site would get from the link depends on how many internal links the website has?
The more internal links the less PR boost i would get?
Im assuming thats what you ment or else i would have gotten a straight answer to my question.

However. I dont believe thats true because we know that the more outbound links a website has the lower the PR of that website will be. This doesent count for internal links. If you have a homepage with rank 4 and add 200 pages all linked from the homepage and all 200 pages link back to the homepage. Your homepage PR is still 4. You start loosing PR to internal pages when you dont link back to your homepage.

Say we have a PR10 website with 2 million internal links.
Would that mean a outbound link from the PR10 homepage website would mean nothing? Because all the PR is already divided to his internal pages?

Perhaps this is true. But it would seem strange to me. As i said im new to this so perhaps im not making much sence :) If so please explain..

trakkerguy




msg:3496506
 6:09 am on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

It has been fairly established that Page Rank now only has cosmetic value

No. A link from a high PR page ABSOLUTELY helps you rank higher than a link from a low PR page, all else being equal.

The popular search engines are known to ignore links obtained from irrelevant pages

No. They might not value irrelevant links as highly, but they most definately are not ignored. I have tested and seen higher serps with links from irrelevant links in another language.

kneoteric_V




msg:3496516
 6:48 am on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

A high PR page alone would not get you better rankings. If the page is relevant and drives traffic to your website, the popularity of your website would increase. This woulld assist in achieving better rankings on the serps. A PR 5 link from a dating site would not benefit your website if your website sells hunting knives. A low PR link from a website selling trekking gear would deliver better results and higher rankings.

My argument is that PR is not the most important criteria, relevance is. This has been further reinforced in the recent big G update.

Komodo_Tale




msg:3496535
 7:45 am on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Relevance + Brute Force = Success

Either by themselves fall short in competitive verticles.
This is why it is important to spend time on both on-site and off-site signals of quality.

jomaxx




msg:3496752
 2:37 pm on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Unfortunately most of these posts are debating a completely different subject.

As to the original question of how PR gets calculated, I don't have time to write up an entire tutorial, but the essential point is that PageRank passes from page to page. To look at PR as something that a "site" has is misleading.

other pages 1 click away page rank 3

There's your answer. PR is supposedly an exponential scale, so with a reasonably small number of links (25) you'd expect a linked page to end up with a PR of 2 or 3.

Patrick_010




msg:3496767
 2:55 pm on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Thank you Jomaxx!

Tonearm




msg:3496865
 4:41 pm on Nov 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Last I checked, PR is valuable not only for rankings but for getting pages out of supplemental status.

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