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Trying to get more Organic Referrals
Traffic reduced to 0 after site increased in size

 3:03 pm on Oct 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have a site with 150 unique articles and it has no referrals now. It was giving me 20 visitors when I had only 20-30 pages and I kept on adding 2-3 articles everyday thinking of more traffic. Now, I have 150 articles over 50 days and traffic is reduced to 0. I have 10-20 quality inbound links, my page rank varies from 1-3. Can anyone guide me getting more organic referrals? Ya, my articles are unique that I confirmed from copyscape.com and google.com.



 8:18 pm on Oct 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

There is a LOT of helpful information in our Hot Topics [webmasterworld.com], which is always pinned to the top of this forum's index page. This includes the aging, but still valuable classic thread:

Successful Site in 12 Months with Google Alone [webmasterworld.com]
26 steps to 15k a day.

I have 150 articles over 50 days

If your domain has only been active for 50 days, then you have probably come to the end of what I call your "honeymoon period." There's another thread in Hot Topics that discusses this:

Good Early Rankings - but they disappear [webmasterworld.com]


 9:31 pm on Oct 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

Thanks for your advice..

1. I have a print version of those 26 rules and i read it 3 times before starting this site..

2. I know about the "honeymoon period", the only thing bothers me is no referral for 150 articles. I don't see any supplemental results, around 120 pages are indexed. Topics are very mixed up. 50% of articles target to long tail also. Got some quality juice from external links. Internal links are really good and all are on reach keywords. It's hard for me to guess the problem.

3. Ya, my website is only 2 months old but people also get a good referrals with a 2 month old site...


 9:51 pm on Oct 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

I don't see any supplemental results

In July 2007, Google removed the Supplemental Results tag (see this thread [webmasterworld.com]) from search results. You may be aware of this, but from your post I wasn't sure.

You can currently generate a list of only the urls that are in the regular index with this search: site:example.com/* The pages that do not occur in those results but that do occur on the regular site:example.com search seem to be the Supplemental Index pages. It also appears that AOL Search (powered by Google) does not include the supplemental index urls at all, so a regular site: search on AOL will also give you regular-index-only.

That may help your research - at least pin down what areas you might need to address.

[edited by: tedster at 11:58 pm (utc) on Oct. 29, 2007]


 11:08 pm on Oct 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

I was not aware of that... I could see only 8 pages in current index by searching site:example.com/*.

I think google will take sometime to evaluate my page juice based on the inbound links which i created recently.. They are from a high pagerank site but kind of very new pages also...

I think the reason for not getting any referral is strength of the page. I have to get more quality links.

Thanks for all your support...


 5:50 pm on Oct 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

I don't know if the following is good advice or not... but here goes...

I have taken the controversial decision not to chase links at all... I spend zero time asking for links... ZERO... unless, on the rare occasions I come across another website that really would benefit from linking to me, or one of my articles... and only then will I approach them to ask for a one way link, politely.
My reasoning behind this is that I want my link growth to appear natural. Even if a site only attracts 2 or 3 links a year naturally, then this is natural growth for that site.

I'm seeing a lot of webmasters upset that they've seen their SERPS crash in the last few days. So far, I've only seen rank fluctuations and no drop in traffic (touch wood).

It's a tired old statement.... but write well... write original... stay white hat... be patient.

[edited by: tedster at 6:28 pm (utc) on Oct. 30, 2007]


 6:38 pm on Oct 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

I understand it.

I have only 8 pages in google index, it can't drive in enough traffic. Other articles are well written and optimized for titles but no one can find it as it has no strength in it..

I know it's not ideal but i have to get some inbound links by publishing article through community sites. That will generate some strength in these articles to come up in search results.


 6:59 pm on Oct 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

Have you uploaded sitmaps to Google and Yahoo?


 7:28 pm on Oct 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have uploaded to google but not to yahoo yet.

Robert Charlton

 10:35 pm on Oct 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

Problem could well be age of your site, age of your inbound links, small number of inbound links, quality of your inbound links, and PageRank distribution within your site.

150 articles can really strain a PR3 site, especially if your nav structure is not well thought out. You need to have a good logical hierarchy, with some category pages that might themselves attract inbounds and help with PR distribution to deeper pages.


 10:59 pm on Oct 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have categories but didn't set category pages yet as i was not having enough articles. This weekend I will have all my category pages and articles to follow it.


 2:10 am on Oct 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

Robert Charlton,

Can you tell me some community based site where i can post about my articles. I am using digg.com but i don't want to use it every time when i come up with a new article.


 3:26 am on Oct 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

We're not going to discuss specific sites here, but such communities are a significant trend on the web today and such sites are springing up all the time. These sites are sometimes called "social media" sites - a form of the so-called "web 2.0". A little research on social media marketing should turn up a mountain of options for you.

You'll need to get to know each community, how the site works, what is acceptable and what is not, what kinds of articles the members there like, etc. This orientation time will be time well spent - they're not all like Digg.


 3:35 am on Oct 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

I want my link growth to appear natural.

I like this idea and lean toward it myself, but have you read the Google Guidelines lately? It all but blatantly says: "Go get link exchanges!"

I think there must be so few sites now that give out links if they get nothing in return--either cash or an exchange link.

I don't think link exchanges are natural; they've been so abused in the past and are still popular with junk sites.

The entire foundation of Google's SERPs is not natural development. I want to see it revise its algo to strip every site of "link juice" from link exchanges. No penalty from LEs, just no juice. A site should be able to stand on its own without being propped up by link exchanges. They are only schemes to manipulate SERPS, which Google advises not to do.

Google says: "Don't manipulate SERPs except with link exchanges."



Robert Charlton

 6:12 am on Oct 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have categories but didn't set category pages yet as i was not having enough articles.

So... if not from category pages... how is your internal nav linking to your 150 articles?


 2:37 pm on Oct 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

Not a best link structure:
1. Few links are on all the article pages based on popularity.
2. Articles link to next seven from same category.
3. All articles are linked from common page like site map.

1. Get my category pages up and running. This will link to all the articles from same category.

Any Suggestion?


 3:08 pm on Oct 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

correction to my first post...

today my traffic is tumbling. What's the #*$!#*$! use. With a Google monopoly, all of this is an excercise in futility. I give up.

[edited by: Asia_Expat at 3:16 pm (utc) on Oct. 31, 2007]

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