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Anyone Seeing a PR update?

 5:34 pm on Jul 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

We are seeing a PR update on one of our site. Anyone else seeing one?



 2:36 am on Aug 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

6 or 7 down to 0!

That makes my drop seem minimal. I hope they don't take PR too seriously or they'll be running round with very high blood pressure for a few days!


 6:44 am on Aug 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

We had one of our internal pages jump from 4 to 5 and now back at 4.... No change on index as yet.


 7:21 am on Aug 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

I'm interested to know if people who've studied the process of PR updates in the past think this is a precursor or a blip?


 9:19 pm on Aug 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

Actually no changes here at all - having twelve high PR sites.


 9:41 pm on Aug 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

im seeing no change in rank but definately high positions on all keywords i was in the hunt for.


 10:17 pm on Aug 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

yes, positive PR moves on 3 of the 4 sites I just checked. sites must be getting a few gray hairs.


 12:57 am on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

The homepage of my site has gone from pagerank 6 to 0.
No cache shows on the homepage but yet search positions currently seem the same.

Its been pagerank 0 for over a week now.



 3:27 am on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

Any other theories on people's vanishing page rank? It seems a few people are reporting it. And I don't see evidence it's a quality issue not least because the SERPs are unaffected.

[edited by: tedster at 3:34 am (utc) on Aug. 16, 2007]


 3:38 am on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

False PR0 started showing up in quantity back in April.

April 30, 2007

If you've seen your PR adjusted to a non-zero number OR you've lost significant traffic, this thread does not really apply to you.

If, however, your PR has dropped to zero AND you've not seen any significant loss in traffic from Google, rest assured that this is most likely a PR-reporting (PR on Toolbar) error; while admittedly alarming at first site, it's nothing to worry about. The tail does not wag the dog in these circumstances.

PR drops to Zero for some long established sites [webmasterworld.com]

This problem is apparently continuing. We all wish Google would fix it, I'm sure.


 3:56 am on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

I haven't seen a pr update for us, however we do have very odd spikes of activity during the day. At times when we are normally flooded with calls are now quiet and quiet times are busy as all heck. Almost as if google has us assigned to some other area or locale.


 5:13 am on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

It seems that in April peoples PR went down to zero but the next part of the update happened really quickly. This time it's been over a week. Makes you wonder what's going on.

Could Google be running out a complicated algo change to kill of PR on link selling sites? or killing off PR altogether? I'm intrigued but if PR is staying I wouldn't mind getting mine back.


 5:58 am on Aug 16, 2007 (gmt 0)


It might not be your PR missing at all...
It's entirely possible only your *visible* (ToolBar PageRank) is missing.

(Only pointing out the semantics for readers, because my guess is 'real PR' is staying, even if the little lights on the toolbar (which Tedster started a real nice thread about) malfunction from time to time.)



 9:11 am on Aug 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

So was that it? The quaterly PR update is done? I just wanted to check because out of my 15 sites not a single page has changed.



 10:27 am on Aug 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

No, update not done. It seems they started an update, then stopped.


 11:42 am on Aug 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

OK now I'm starting to wonder.
Is it a technical issue... or is it intentional*.

I mean Google has updated its infrastructure about the same time last year. That had a huge impact on the frequency and quality of their updates in many areas, and now they're certainly capable of doing all calculations and spread the data in much less time, and yet... it didn't seem to speed up the publishing of PR.

Quite the contrary, it became less frequent, full of bugs, and now it even came to a halt while still in the process.


Could be that with the update last year they hid supplemental pages' data so well in their own database network ( for the sake of scalable performance... ) that they are having a hard time working with them.

*: Or perhaps the new infrastructure didn't include any [new/integrated] means to export the TBPR and this feature still runs on legacy software/hardware...

If either would apply, I don't know if it's Google or us who should finally take the hint...


 5:35 pm on Aug 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

One change may become apparent in Google SERPs very soon. I cannot predict what that change will look like.

The Google Directory was updated yesterday for the first time in nearly 18 months. This may have an effect on which directory categories show in Google search results, and their positions.

It may also have a negative effect on sites that were in the old version of the Google directory but are no longer listed, and a positive impact on sites that are newly listed in the Google Directory... or will it?

Google Directory Discussion: [webmasterworld.com...]

There may be a time lag for the changes to ripple through. Will it be hours, or days, or weeks?

We now return you to your regular scheduled programme....


 9:01 pm on Aug 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

google has not updated any of their directory static pages since 2005. The only way to get new data from the google directory is to query it. Seriously, check any subpage of the directory by scrolling to the bottom. All the copy writes are 2005. Then if you get to a bottom page and look at the sites that are listed you will notice that all the data is from 2005.


 9:06 pm on Aug 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

My bad. I should have read the whole directory thread. Glad to see the changes coming!


 9:07 pm on Aug 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

Check the other thread. It has the details you require.

<edit>OK. You did.</edit>


 9:16 pm on Aug 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

Is it a technical issue... or is it intentional

I think it may be intentional - a tactic to disturb the paid link market perhaps?

Many buyer/sellers over on DP rely too much on TBPR, and sales slow to a crawl awaiting the update. Dragging it out like this has probably put a big damper on the number of sales for the last month.


 3:18 am on Aug 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

I think it may be intentional - a tactic to disturb the paid link market perhaps?

Yeah the only reason I care is because I sell links on some sites. Right now I cant sell anything becuase everyone is waiting for the update. Silly really, PR dosent really seem to have anything to do with getting your site to the top.


 11:10 am on Aug 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

Its now been 115 days since a Toolbar PR update. Only 7 days to go to break the record of 122 days.

Back then they had Big daddy to contend with, which caused the long delay.

Google has committed itself to the Toolbar page rank update.

I guess everybody must have taken August off for vacation down at the Googleplex.

Interent Yogi

 11:23 am on Aug 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

LGN1 I had an toolbar update about 2 weeks ago on about 8 sites . All had no PR now they do. So thery has been some sort of update.


 3:16 pm on Aug 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

Re: Previous post

Their was talk of an abortive update, a week or so ago, so you must have been one of the very few lucky ones that got PR.


 12:10 am on Sep 7, 2007 (gmt 0)


As of today 7th September we have not seen a tool bar page rank update from google for 130 days.

The longest time period between updates in the past was 122 days between 19th Oct 2005 and 18th Feb 2006 at that time the green bar was updated and a backlink update carried out at the same time.

Now perhaps the update of that little green bar is not as important as it once was or is it just a case of google keeping us guessing longer?.

Clearly it looks like the serps are still dancing in some areas? so maybe we are half way through some kind of update who knows, but as we still have the green bar in play it would be nice to see it updated.

I wonder when they are thinking of updating it this time?

[edited by: tedster at 2:00 am (utc) on Sep. 7, 2007]
[edit reason] moved from another location [/edit]


 6:18 am on Sep 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

Matt Cutts posted on DP:

As far as the toolbar PageRank, I definitely wouldn't expect to see it in the next few days. Probably not even in the next couple weeks, if I had to guess.

I'd post the link but it appears I can't :)


 6:55 am on Sep 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

OK now I'm starting to wonder.
Is it a technical issue... or is it intentional

It's not either of those, it's that they have bigger fish to fry, and we should too :P


 12:06 pm on Sep 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

Mabe there is an internal battle going on in Google, over to keep it or get rid of the PR toolbar.

If I was in Google Management, I would toss it. It creates a lot more problems than its worth, for Google.

It would put an end to PR manipulation, and really cut down on the link request spam for us webmasters.

Only webmasters use it anyways, and it is either use for evil, or for webmaster ego boosting. Joe Public could care less about the toolbar.

On the other hand, it they kill the PR toolbar, it will be a boom for companies that measure traffic such as Alexa and Compete. However it is alot easier to game Alexa than it is Google, so it may not be worth much.

Then again they may decide to only update 1 or 2 times a year as a compromise.

I don't think it is a technical issue or a priority issue, or MATT would just tell us.


 2:46 pm on Sep 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

I don't think it is a technical issue or a priority issue

Actions always speak louder than words. Their resources are basically unlimited so the lack of update is by choice.

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