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The Saboteurs Of Search
Google Bowling - 7 Ways Your Site Can Be Sabotaged
pageoneresults




msg:3383456
 12:41 pm on Jul 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

Some search marketers question whether tactics like Google bowling even exist. Google's Webmaster Central site, designed to answer search marketers' queries, says merely, "There's almost nothing a competitor can do to harm your ranking or have your site removed from our index." But Duke, and many search marketers, take that "almost" as a concession from Google that negative SEO does occur.

The Saboteurs Of Search
[forbes.com...]

 

theBear




msg:3383592
 5:35 pm on Jul 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

There is a current thread here about one of those methods (in part) implemented in the form a of proxy like script. It both duplicates site a content on site b and its internal link structure if the pages links get followed deep enough.

The other methods have also been discussed on WebmasterWorld.

Is Forbes is just catching on?

youfoundjake




msg:3384523
 9:41 pm on Jul 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

And then of course, there is the bacon polenta. One of my favorite examples.

MrStitch




msg:3384524
 9:49 pm on Jul 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

found bacon what?

errorsamac




msg:3384537
 9:59 pm on Jul 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

You can -950 a site by getting thousands of links to your competitor's site using the same exact anchor text and description. Buying paid links to the same site you are targeting also helps. I've seen this work on sites that are currently high in the SERPs which are not authorities.

The downside to getting all of these links to the competition is that it will boost them on MSN, and perhaps on Yahoo (I've seen mixed results w/Yahoo).

Edit: I should have read the article first before posting my comment. :) Basically, what I just said is mentioned in the article. In general, I think Google hurting a site for getting too many links is bull#*$!, which is why I hope everyone finds out about this and they make a change to their filters.

mattg3




msg:3385356
 6:59 pm on Jul 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

what errorsamac said.. went from 1200 to ~3000 and fighting since then .. 40 SEO Spam directories with DMOZ clon pages, poetry site and so on ...

Jon_King




msg:3388668
 1:31 am on Jul 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

"There's almost nothing a competitor can do to harm your ranking" ...

Are you friggen kidding me, that's the very definition of SEO.

The opposite of "Improve Your Ranking" is "Harm Your Competitors Ranking".

Bewenched




msg:3388717
 3:34 am on Jul 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

There are more ways to harm a competitors site than there are to boost yours. Sad really.

Maybe google should think more about discounting or ignoring 100's of links, paid links, etc.. to a site than penalizing the site.

rogerd




msg:3388732
 4:01 am on Jul 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

The more it happens, the more Google will be forced to avoid penalties based purely on off-site criteria.

happymondays




msg:3388749
 6:02 am on Jul 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

I just don't get this penalizing idea... why penalize for too many links why not just disregard them? It can be easily manipulated... I mean there are a lot of automatized link exchange sites out there, one can just sign up any site and wait for the impact.

Google is a joke still.

reseller




msg:3388770
 8:40 am on Jul 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

Just wish to mention that Matt had posted a reply [blogoscoped.com] about the current issue:

To clarify, here are a couple reasons why it isn't impossible:
- identity theft means that someone can steal your site out from under you. See for example the storied history of sex.com
- someone could hack your site and put spam all over your site

Those are extreme examples (and would also be illegal in the U.S.), but that's why I didn't exclude the possibility of someone sabotaging another person's site.


Hobbs




msg:3388821
 11:42 am on Jul 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

thousands of links to your competitor's site using the same exact anchor text and description

No,
On my main site there is a "link to us" page with banners and other graphics as well as text links that thousands have copied onto their pages linking to us with the same exact anchor and image alt tags, and I am still here and taling about it.

blend27




msg:3388833
 12:02 pm on Jul 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

"There's almost nothing a competitor can do to harm your ranking" ...

And that is sooooo... not true.

There is a war on search terms, and when there us a war, no rules apply, and someone always gets dumped.

ogletree




msg:3388887
 2:35 pm on Jul 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

There is nothing you can do to hurt the ranking of sites like MS or Webmasterworld or any site that has authority. There are some things you can do to hurt a brand new site. There are some things you can do to hurt a site that has less than 5 links. There is a remote possibility that you can do something to hurt a PR4 site with 50 links.

blend27




msg:3388906
 4:02 pm on Jul 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

ogletree,

my main competitor apparently is that exception, and it is very SAD.

The main keyword in our niche is their domain name since the end of 1998, the site is hosted on dedicated server, and gets about 100 content/text reach pages added monthly.
It has a lot of backilinks from EDUs and is a #1 Authority WebSite in our niche hands down thru out the world. They do everything by the book. They have been in DMOZ and yahoo directory for years, they still rank for that term on Y and MSN. It is a PR5 site with thousands of natural and quality backinks.

It has been recently positioned on Google NOT as #1 for that search term. #1 spot is taken by a blog-type shopping site that currently running a huge special on widgets, and a special ends in April of this year.

And here are their key issues:

a. [webmasterworld.com...]

b. Another site new site also took their aged articles as well as a home page text, modified it a bit(maybe 3-4% changed to reflect their domain name) and post it on their site.

Very Sad, Just imagine loosing "I am felling Lucky" to some shmuck.

>:-)

ogletree




msg:3388972
 6:52 pm on Jul 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

You know it might be a good idea when you put a sitemap up to cloak it to Google IP's. I also hate putting things in my robots.txt file because somebody can just look in there and find directories you don't want them to find. With robots.txt you can just do noindex, nofollow instead.

burcot




msg:3389063
 9:04 pm on Jul 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

I pointed links to 3 pages from the footer of several (free to download)blog templates.
The pages climbed the serps as the links were indexed.

After approx 150 links were visable, each page disappeared from the top 1000 results.

The pages were only affected when searching for the phrase used as anchor text.
Seems to me that taking an individual page out of the results for a specific keyword is far to simple.

Just wanted to add - all 3 sites were mine.

incrediBILL




msg:3389075
 9:18 pm on Jul 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

Heck, I was "Digg Bowled" with one very popular article that generated about 20K visitors in a couple of hours and a bunch of links from various locations. This appeared to earn the site a penalty for a few weeks and it just bounced back to it's normal location in the SERPs.

I always thought getting a story on the Digg homepage would be cool but remember to be careful what you wish for as you just might get it...

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