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June 2007 Google SERP Changes
steveb




msg:3355338
 3:31 am on Jun 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

< continued from: [webmasterworld.com...] >

And now it has all completely changed to a result set similar to what wwas around a week ago.. gone are all the trivial bits of nothing.

Seems like somebody woke up down at the 'plex... "Oh crap, forgot to flip the 'make the results better' switch."

(Again, this only really applies to one word searches.)

[edited by: tedster at 4:37 pm (utc) on July 1, 2007]

 

Vimes




msg:3358785
 6:46 am on Jun 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Added sorry...

back link check on cnn gives some really funky totals on those DC's as well

Vimes.

np2003




msg:3358925
 10:00 am on Jun 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

From what I'm seeing the sites that rank well are those that have lots of link backs from free sites. Most of these sites are low quality appearing in first page results..

Is it time to rewrite the books? We may need to start building low quality sites and then encourage people linking back to become #1 in search results.

thecityofgold2005




msg:3359086
 1:39 pm on Jun 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

At the moment the sites that are profiting in my product sector are those with big associate linking networks (eg. multiple product sites, spoof review sites, spoof blogs. etc).

Bewenched




msg:3359092
 1:47 pm on Jun 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

We have had great traffic for the past week, which is refreshing over what we've been going through for the last year.

wolfadeus




msg:3358857
 8:13 am on Jun 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

My best site I ever did - by my own rigorous standards - loses some 20% of its pages that are indexed by google for no reason I can detect. If this is the widely announced 1st-of-June update, I find it rather amusing (given that I have confidence that the site will ultimately be picked up again).

If the trend continues, Google will drop the site completely in a week or so :)

[edited by: tedster at 5:41 pm (utc) on June 5, 2007]
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patc




msg:3360666
 1:36 am on Jun 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

Surprised to see no other updates on this thread tonight.

The single keyword SERPs I've been watching lately seem to have spread as two different sets across the datacenters, wiping out a couple of results that were hanging on in there after it all started going south for me on April 30th.

Annoying that a really spam ridden, link spamming site is seemingly now considered an authority across most keyword combos in my sector. Oh well, time to move on, think outside the box again!

tedster




msg:3360686
 2:27 am on Jun 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

I've seen some new movement in a couple of areas -- one of which is not a single word but a bigram where neither part seems to occur on its own very much.

A URL jumped up to #10 on that search that was previously on page 5, and lots of the previous top ten URLs did a big shuffle.

This search has long been quite stable and the newcomer was a startling development. I know that this particular site has not been touched for over 2 years and the owners are doing no backlink work on it either. This all seems to point to a new algo modification. The search involved is not highly competitive, but a reputation management concern.

walkman




msg:3360769
 3:53 am on Jun 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

my results are holding and I am very happy--even though I am at probably 30% of where I was 1 year ago.
New pages are also being indexed out of the supps which may mean that my site has gained new trust. I hope it sticks, and that in a few weeks I move up even more.

fiu88




msg:3360787
 4:37 am on Jun 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

Up down, up down...seems to change every couple of days....I think G is having fun watching ( and taking notes) who changes or attempts to optimise based on serp shuffles...

caveman




msg:3360797
 4:56 am on Jun 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

This all seems to point to a new algo modification.

Agree. Usually I reach a working therory within a day or three, even if it turns out to be wrong; at least something to investigate that might explain what is going on.

But this combination of weird geo components and high quality, authoritative sites dropping off on core searches has thinking that mulitple signficant alterations are happening simultaneously.

My best theory so far -- Two changes: Geo-related, plus some sort of relevance shift...probably related to a bad semantics assessment. At first I thought the relevance issue was age-related, but both newer and older sites are suffering in some respects, and only on some kw's. So I'm now looking at SERP's where good rankings fell away for sites that should still be ranking, AND where those sites still rank well some but fewer important terms.

A category that relates to my area of professional knowledge is of particular interest, but it't not hard to find areas to investigate.

For any of the wiseacres out there, it has nothing to do with P-P-C ;-)

annej




msg:3360812
 5:33 am on Jun 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

I don't think I've even seen such completely different results on different data centers. Especially with one word searches. It's really drawn out too. I first noticed it on May 24.

kamikaze Optimizer




msg:3360838
 6:24 am on Jun 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

annej:

oddly, I see this also for your KW; with movement all over the place.

But many, many other KW's are very stable (hence this thread is absence of noise, other than a few of you).

I tend to think that your KW is a target for testing.

[edited by: kamikaze_Optimizer at 6:27 am (utc) on June 7, 2007]

netmeg




msg:3361066
 1:27 pm on Jun 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

There's a one word keyword for my site that I've never even tried to go after, mainly because my site is specific to my state, and I figured it would be too difficult. Before some of my pages went 950, I ranked maybe #75 for that word, while I was 950'd I was down around #400, and now that my pages have come back, I've been climbing up every day - today it's at #22. Never been that high for that keyword in the history of my site, and it still seems to be going up.

rden17




msg:3361127
 2:32 pm on Jun 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

seeing huge swings in traffic every couple of days too. got dropped almost completely last week, bounced back up for 3-4 days, and today, nothing again. literally nothing

You can just about see the turn off/ turn on points by looking at stats.

nektotigra




msg:3361211
 4:20 pm on Jun 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

In some sectors, much of the same junk that's risen to the top at Yahoo has risen to the top at Google

yeah, scrapers have pretty much good time so far. it's so damn nice seeing my latest articles appearing on the first places in SERPS making money for these guys. keep up the "good" work, google!

b2net




msg:3363098
 10:31 pm on Jun 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

Has Googlebot gotten lazy or why am I seeing it visit a website once a week compared to May and previous months when it visited daily? And new sites are not getting deep crawled and indexed like before. Anyone else seeing this or is it just the new algo that needs a lot more backlinks than before for getting all pages indexed?

walkman




msg:3363171
 1:29 am on Jun 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

VERY busy here. Same as it has been in the last few months, but this week all the newly indexed pages are staying in the normal index

achuthkmm




msg:3362154
 2:17 pm on Jun 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

Respected members,
1 week back my site is in 4th page of search results for a keyword but from yesterday it is disappeared completely
please help me?

[edited by: tedster at 5:20 am (utc) on June 11, 2007]
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pizzaguy




msg:3363302
 7:43 am on Jun 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

Since begining of June I am having high traffic for couple days and low traffic (as it used to be before June) for couple days. The interesting thing is for my main targeted keywords when the rankings are good I am #5 and competitor a is # 4 and competitor b is # 3. After couple days when I switch to low rankings I am no where but still my competitors rank same and there is another site instead of me.

This is Google dance I know, but why it dances for me only...

Thanks in advance..

[edited by: tedster at 5:20 am (utc) on June 11, 2007]
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tedster




msg:3364063
 5:29 am on Jun 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

...high traffic for couple days and low traffic (as it used to be before June) for couple days.

Interesting report - you are saying the high rankings are something new for this domain, right? That makes me wonder if Google is testing a new SERP off and on, and seeing which one pleases their users more.

In terms of whether Google is "dancing just for you" I think many peopole here have been reporting a kind of yo-yo ranking on the SERPs that involve them. What the two states of the algo are is an interesting question, especially if your report for the bad times is "I am no where".

Have you checked the very last page of the SERPs on those days? You may not be nowhere, you may be suffering from the -950 penalty [webmasterworld.com] on those SERPs.

ridgway




msg:3364089
 6:07 am on Jun 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

noticing slower googlebot spidering -- what used to be at least once every 1/2 days is now every 4/5, but rankings have remained favorable or improved.

pizzaguy




msg:3364106
 7:00 am on Jun 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

Have you checked the very last page of the SERPs on those days? You may not be nowhere, you may be suffering from the -950 penalty on those SERPs.

Just on time. I have been affected with that I guess. I was reading the threads about -950 penalty just after I posted my previous message.

So, I think I should update my post as couple days I am having the -950 penalty and couple days not. Isn't that interesting.

redstorm




msg:3364135
 7:53 am on Jun 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

Has Googlebot gotten lazy or why am I seeing it visit a website once a week compared to May and previous months when it visited daily? And new sites are not getting deep crawled and indexed like before. Anyone else seeing this or is it just the new algo that needs a lot more backlinks than before for getting all pages indexed?

You are right. Anyone can help on this regard?

tedster




msg:3364160
 8:45 am on Jun 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

pizzaguy, your picture is actually brighter than it was, not darker. You used to always have the -950 penalty, and now it disappears for 3 days at a time and you have first page positions!

About spidering -- googlebot goes through cycles of frenzy and being laid back. I've always assunmed it has to do with Google assigning thier resources differently at differnt times. As long as rankings are not affected, I don't think there's any need for concern about these cycles.

bobx




msg:3364167
 8:53 am on Jun 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hmmm

well, I have conducted an "index test" , and changed a page on May 15, from "index,follow" in the metatags, to "noindex,follow".

since then the page has been spidered 5 times,

and guess what, the page is still in the google index with the "old" syntax (i.e. index,follow)

so, I personally believe they are having some issues releasing a "cleaned version of their index".

EDIT: , and I am not talking about the cache, their cache shows the new page. However, the page still receives traffic as it did before, indicating it is still indexed, and a viable search result.

pizzaguy




msg:3364547
 5:57 pm on Jun 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

pizzaguy, your picture is actually brighter than it was, not darker. You used to always have the -950 penalty, and now it disappears for 3 days at a time and you have first page positions!

Again for the last two days I am at the end of search results. I do not know what is happening but I guess I should reduce the optimizaton on my pages.

annej




msg:3364561
 6:01 pm on Jun 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

That makes me wonder if Google is testing a new SERP off and on, and seeing which one pleases their users more.

That seemed to be what they were doing but now I don't see the original results on any data centers or on comcast search.

Now they seem to just be playing with the varied new results.

Could they be following how often the results are being clicked on? It looks like the more educational results are down in the 30s while pages with free stuff and such are in the top 10.

Could Google results become nothing more than a big popularity contest? In other words could Google be starting with the top results based on the usual Google algo? Then are they refining it by looking at how many people are clicking on each result?

outland88




msg:3364630
 7:16 pm on Jun 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

I'm definitely seeing a lot of screwed up caches where the terms aren't highlighting properly. Anybody else seeing this?

Google also seems to be going completely haywire in my areas. I've seen a whole page of Yahoo Answers returned, 20 Google books in the top fifty under a major keyword, article sites and blogs everywhere. They definitely seem to be pushing the commerce sites out of the picture in my sections.

g1smd




msg:3364859
 11:30 pm on Jun 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

>> That makes me wonder if Google is testing a new SERP off and on <<

They are (nearly) always doing that on some DC or another.

johnhh




msg:3365263
 11:24 am on Jun 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

I'm definitely seeing a lot of screwed up caches where the terms aren't highlighting properly

Saw the same yesterday

outland88




msg:3365613
 6:08 pm on Jun 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

Yes and many of the what I call the "seeded results" go unbothered by the problems.

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