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Inner Page has grayed out PR
Ann4SEO

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Msg#: 3342821 posted 9:28 am on May 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hello,

Recently, in one of my client website, few of the inner page got grayed PR. Earlier they used to have a good PR (5). When I checked the cache of the web page itís not showing.

But surprisingly when I gave the company name search in Google, the inner page appeared in SERPs & showing cache dated as 10th May.

My question is that is this some sort of Penalty....

I have never posted my site in any of the directories nor in forums... Then why it got grayed...

SEO Gurus please help.

 

PowerUp

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Msg#: 3342821 posted 2:26 pm on May 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

Me too, though my site is new and never has any PR yet.

Some of my pages has a white bar and when I mouse over it, it says "...this page (0/10)"

Other pages with a gray bar when I mouse over it, it says "No Page Rank Information Available"

reseller

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Msg#: 3342821 posted 2:40 pm on May 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

Ann4SEO

Have you noticed a drop in Google referrals to your site?

MarkWolk

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Msg#: 3342821 posted 9:21 pm on May 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have a similar issue on one of my sites. It is PR4 all over, and one internal page (which used to be PR4) has now a greyed PR bar. I feel it is a PR bug, nothing else. That page had slightly less content than others, so I have now written some more content for it and added another link to it from the homepage. There is nothing special otherwise about that page.

Ann4SEO

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Msg#: 3342821 posted 4:35 am on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

@reseller

I get monthly hit report for the site. Since this happened in this month only, i cannot check it in this month. I need to check it next month.

But i think it will definitely effect my Google referrals.

netmeg

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Msg#: 3342821 posted 2:02 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

I feel it is a PR bug, nothing else.

That's my feeling too. With the last TBPR update, I had a bunch of new pages that got PR for the first time, and several hundred existing pages show greyed out PR as well. My traffic is way up, I'm still getting lots of referrals on those greyed out pages, and they're still ranking #1 in the SERPS - I just think it's not being reported properly. I also don't have any PR info for May in my GWT account either, so it's probably all part and parcel of the same thing.

Ann4SEO

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Msg#: 3342821 posted 7:01 am on May 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

@ netmeg

Ok. Do u have any idea when this bug will be corrected. As u know its client website, so clients will be asking abt it.

myk02

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Msg#: 3342821 posted 8:15 am on May 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

It's actually a PR bug which was occurred with many websites in April PR table export so called PR update process.

As I know there is no solution to fix it for the time being, you just have to wait until Google perform next PR update.

In fact you will definitely get your PR back but not sure whether it will be the same as before or less.

Marcia

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Msg#: 3342821 posted 5:09 pm on May 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

If you look closely, is the TB greyed out or white on pages?

MarkWolk

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Msg#: 3342821 posted 7:54 pm on May 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

It is greyed out, which normally means that the page is even not indexed at all. Since I can still find the page using specific strings, I really think it is a bug. The page probably still has its former PR; it is only a bug with the display of that PR.

Mbwto

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Msg#: 3342821 posted 8:16 pm on May 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Funny, I've just been researching this exact thing...started really looking at it last week...what I've come up with so far is, that while it may be a bug, it could also be that Google is testing out or has implemented an Algorithm change that detects paid links, or links coming from Directories that were created just to get links. Go to any directory and you'll notice that the sub pages are greyed out, while the main pages still have PR as you get deeper into the site they're greyed out. One site I was just analyzing, another directory, has a PR4, no canonicalization, PR3...that means with www it's PR4 without PR3, but I clicked on a link at the top that went to a links page in the root directory, and it was greyed out. I'm sure there are a lot of factors involved here, but it seems that link exchanges and non-relevant links are almost dead. Natural links, it seems, will be the only ones with value soon.
Even the sub-pages in DMOZ are greyed out, so are the serps in Google. Clean up your links, add unique content and you should be ok...or it may just be a bug! HAHAHAHAHA!
Look at your links pages, if they're broken into specific categories, check out the pages that are relevant and ones that aren't...I was just looking at another site that has them broken into categories, some of the categories had nothing to do with what they were selling and those pages were greyed out...the ones that were relevant weren't...there was one page that was in a kind of grey area, no pun intended, that still had PR...I think it has a lot to do with relevancy...Good Luck!

WW_Watcher

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Msg#: 3342821 posted 8:23 pm on May 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Mbwto
I would have to disagree with your conclusion, there are way too many examples of pages that have a grey bar, that previously displayed tbpr, these pages do not have paid links, or outbound links on them, or paid links pointing at them, they are product pages, not part of a directory at all. TBPR is broken and useless at this point, it neither reflects a pages true PR, or even if it has been indexed.

Back to lurking,
WW_Watcher

Mbwto

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Msg#: 3342821 posted 8:40 pm on May 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

You have a point, but I think some of the factors that I've mentioned have something to do with it. I'm sure there are a lot more things involved...PR is really only a measuring bar anyway...if it's broke, who cares. :)

vstevens

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Msg#: 3342821 posted 8:57 pm on May 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Mbwto,

I agree with you. IN ADDITION, while other factors may have something to do with this its nnot just a bug and has something to do with link exchanges and relevancy. I have researched this as well. Furthermore, if you look at some of the other posts & discussion about the Yo-Yo effect that this is direclty related to those sites as well.

I bet the sites that are shuffling in and out of ranks as of late have a greyed PR for at least 1 or more innner pages.

Mbwto

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Msg#: 3342821 posted 9:01 pm on May 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Yeah, I've noticed that the root pages seem to maintain PR, while sub pages and a few sub-domains have suffered.

martinibuster

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Msg#: 3342821 posted 9:27 pm on May 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Doesn't anyone remember the white bar issue? We went through this only a few weeks ago.

When your pages still rank, when the page is still cached, when you do a snippet search and the page shows up... it means it's not penalized. This is not a reflection of anything happening with the algo. Just like with the white bar incident a few weeks ago, this is strictly a toolbar glitch.

>>>I think some of the factors that I've mentioned have something to do with it...

I'm very certain that none of those factors have anything to do with it simply because it's not an algo thing, it's a toolbar glitch.

Adding content, changing your links or file names etc. won't help because those actions relate to the algo and it's established that this is not an algo issue. There is nothing to fix on your end. It's on Google's end. Nothing to do but wait for the next update or for Google to fix the glitch.

reseller

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Msg#: 3342821 posted 9:31 pm on May 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

I wish to recall a recent post [webmasterworld.com] of our kind fellow member Adam Lasnik, which mightbe of relevance to this thread.

Hey there,

I'm happy to ask some of my colleagues to check into the issues that have been raised here.

In the meantime, though, I'd like to assure you that any negative shifts you see in tb PR are not likely to signal either very-recent or impending problems with your site. We update the tb PR semi-regularly, but not on a basis in which you'd want to use it for real-time forecasting and analysis ;)

In other words, this isn't the way we communicate that your site is violating our guidelines (unlike our Webmaster Tools, where Webmasters of penalized sites can often find a warning/status message).

And another recent post [webmasterworld.com] of Adam Lasnik which mightbe also of great relevance:

Hey again,

If you've seen your PR adjusted to a non-zero number OR you've lost significant traffic, this thread does not really apply to you.

If, however, your PR has dropped to zero AND you've not seen any significant loss in traffic from Google, rest assured that this is most likely a PR-reporting (PR on Toolbar) error; while admittedly alarming at first site, it's nothing to worry about. The tail does not wag the dog in these circumstances :)

With that said, I'll be chatting with some colleagues again today to hash out what might be occurring, and I'll report back here with any news.

Have a good week everyone.


Mbwto

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Msg#: 3342821 posted 9:41 pm on May 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Thanks man!

Bewenched

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Msg#: 3342821 posted 2:42 am on May 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

I noticed tonight going into webmaster tools that there is a definate change in our statistics.... all of our High and Medium pr page statistics are non existant even though the toolbar and other tools are showing many many many pages with 4-5pr levels.

Anyone else experiencing this?

Marcia

WebmasterWorld Senior Member marcia us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3342821 posted 3:51 am on May 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

Pages and sites that have haven't changed (downward) I'd consider to be stable, but for now, if there's been a drastic downturn or the toolbar PR has gone grey, I'm paying no attention to it as long as I can see what's indexed and cached, either primary or supplemental index.

There's been a drastic change in proportion of the number of pages that are primary or supplemental on the affected sites, and I suspect there's a connection.

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