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May 2007 Google SERP Changes
offroadvietnam



 
Msg#: 3328122 posted 9:35 am on May 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I had two sites. The main one is very stable, but the second one goes up and down very often, almost one week up and one week down. This week, it stays longer than usual and I hope Google found a way to keep results consistant. Both sites are ranked higher than before.

[edited by: tedster at 2:03 am (utc) on May 2, 2007]

 

mattg3

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 9:59 am on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

I don't know what to do I am real worried... I want that to becomes at least a PR... help me webmasters.

My homepage and all subsections are PR6 since ages, still got 950ed. The PR 5 site didn't get 950ed, hence forget PR.

[edited by: mattg3 at 10:07 am (utc) on May 21, 2007]

RichTC

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 10:22 am on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

potentialgeek

You cant hit a website because other article sites have collected articles from it?

Its likely that a good site may have an information section on it and may well release a press article for example that gets syndicated.

In the majority of cases these sites that list loads of articles often have zero or very low PR to pass on anyway so are providing little advantage if any anyway

Go60Guy

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 1:24 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Google, in fact, seems to love EzinesArticles. More and more I'm seeing articles posted there ranking in the top ten. They're certainly not viewed as spam, and I doubt that they will be. Frankly, I don't see a problem.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 3328122 posted 1:57 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

Content is not much of a problem to overcome if your talking about investing in your sites content can be had pretty cheap.

Ah, but the copy editing costs real money. :-)

I am going to go wide and hit a few new areas as insurance but I am lucky enough to have a good base to work from.

Are you an expert on insurance? Do you have a unique angle on insurance, or are can you find "pretty cheap" writers who can supply content about insurance that's better than, or more interesting than, information about insurance that's already available on the Web? If not, where do you expect to get quality inbound links (as opposed to bought links or reciprocal links from other sites of questionable value, which Google is increasingly likely to ignore)?

treeline

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 3:15 pm on May 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

I am going to go wide and hit a few new areas as insurance but I am lucky enough to have a good base to work from.

I think he's expanding into new areas to cover his butt (insurance), not writing about insurance. As to expertise in those new areas...?

myk02

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 8:06 am on May 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

I've noticed some negative change in my website visitors since last week. Compare to second week of may, I've loosed up to 40% visitors from Google.

Is it a normal trend, so called summer holidays effect? or what else? Does anyone else has experienced this kind of situation?

Your comments and suggestions will appreciated.

[edited by: tedster at 4:05 pm (utc) on May 22, 2007]
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offroadvietnam



 
Msg#: 3328122 posted 1:53 pm on May 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

My two sites came back to the positions they used to be in early March (top 10), but some important keywords are still nowhere to be found (top 20). Google may give me a turn this time and who knows after one or two months, it's another turn. Does anyone experiences this?

bwnbwn

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 3:54 pm on May 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

One reason why is the terrible results that are being displayed I was looking for a company

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did a search not in Google results at all. Bunch of shopping sites and other worthless junk....

What is going on Yahoo has it Right even MSN could find the company so du were is Google going

[edited by: tedster at 5:25 pm (utc) on May 23, 2007]

frup

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 4:56 pm on May 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing big changes today, I would call this a semi-major update. I'm surprised people aren't talking about it.

sandyeggo

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 5:24 pm on May 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

update has been going on for a few days now as far as i have seen - positions are flopping around much more than normal - i also see some sites in the results now that in my opinion dont belong there yet. One example is a new site that has no PR, spams keyword phrases all over the page in the copy (50+ phrases) and there is No meta title, No meta description - in fact all metas are blank
also, url is not actual domain name, its a subdomain under the host company website
sub.host.com

pretty weird stuff. it hasnt affected me in a bad way YET but lots of movement in my sector for sure

treeline

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 5:40 pm on May 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

I would think that as they roll out the Universal Search wider and wider that there should be ripples reaching everywhere. Some of those ripples might feel like waves.

steveb

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 11:33 pm on May 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

"I'm seeing big changes today, I would call this a semi-major update. I'm surprised people aren't talking about it."

Biggest changes in at least ten months, probably even longer.

Some good improvments, and some ranking of very mediocre quality domains (mediocre, not bad).

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 3328122 posted 12:59 am on May 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

Odd. I see no obvious changes for terms that I search on regularly. (And I'm not just talking about keywords or keyphrases that are related to my topic.)

SEOPTI

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 1:03 am on May 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

Monitoring 20+ sites, no changes.

Umbertide

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 10:36 am on May 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

yes there is a change on the way. check rankpulse and it looks bigger than over a year. fingers crossed, here we go!

thecityofgold2005

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 10:52 am on May 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

Last night, from my phone, I saw very different serps. Better serps in fact. Today I see no change anywhere. Rock steady across all DC's.

netmeg

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 2:12 pm on May 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

No ranking changes (fortunately) but I had a boatload of pages come out of supplemental yesterday.

tabish

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 3:35 pm on May 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

the worst part is, sits with the Crap content are still on their positions. These changes mostly affecting people with dynamic contents.

One of my competitor has filled his website with "keywords" here and there with no sense, his home page is just keywords, nothing else. no content nothing.. just keywords.. and he was on top and still on top.

No matter how much google support "white hat SEO", their googlebot Loves "Black hat"..

Those who are genuine, will keep suffering like this.

It's really SAD..

Nocturnal

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 4:45 am on May 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

It's weird, just last week I had a SERP ranking of being within the top ten for one term and then when that universal search thing kicked in I disappeared pretty much off the face of the SERPs. Now I'm back to where I was. That time that I was off though killed off a lot of traffic that I was receiving.

myk02

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 6:36 am on May 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

In last 15 days I have loosed up to 50% from Google, I am unable to understand what's going on at Google side..!

One more thing I have noticed that the keyword which is at #1 in Google SERPs since long time was previously giving 50 visitors is giving 30-35 visitors / day now a days. Even though the position is same.

Can anyone share his opinion on it?

potentialgeek

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 7:02 am on May 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

In the majority of cases these sites that list loads of articles often have zero or very low PR to pass on anyway so are providing little advantage if any anyway

I don't see any PR value but a lot of SERP value. One site came out of nowhere to top many other sites which have been online for years. Of course I was curious to know, How did they do that?!

My brief investigation turned up one large article site most people know about by the author of the highly-ranked new site with multiple links back to specific pages of main categories, e.g., widgets.com/red; widgets.com/white; and widgets.com/blue.

So now it's number one or number two in Google for these categories, and for many others above the fold. It's going after all the main categories for the relevant keyword phrases which show up in monthly Overture inventory results.

I don't know that the syndicates add much SERP help, although they could. It seems more likely Google thinks the world of one article site link farm, and anything linked from it must be the best thing since sliced bread.

I've been tempted to try the same thing, because it's not difficult to write short articles under 1,000 words. I'd like to know if I could find the same SERP 'juice.' But I don't think it's ethical to pass off yourself as an expert and try to manipulate Google rankings in a way that Google already said it doesn't condone.

I also happen to think it's only a matter of time before Google figures it out, and adjusts its algo, giving a penalty to the article link farmers. Since Google penalties nowadays can be extreme, from 30 to 950, I wouldn't be in the mood to run any tests, anyhow.

I can't see any other reason for the site jumping to the top. It's not a high-value site; it's an MFA. It would not get a great link from an authority site for high value. The content is minimalist, and the articles which provide the links get one-star ratings.

In summary, I think Google doesn't respect most article sites, but one or two trick it. Article sites, however, are link factories. Maybe G is getting a ton of profit off them (they have Adsense on every page), so it doesn't want to 'cut off the hand that feeds it.'

p/g

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 3328122 posted 2:33 pm on May 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

Article sites, however, are link factories. Maybe G is getting a ton of profit off them (they have Adsense on every page), so it doesn't want to 'cut off the hand that feeds it.'

Unlikely. Google just cut off a whole bunch of hands that were feeding it:

[webmasterworld.com...]

tedster

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 5:37 pm on May 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

when that universal search thing kicked in I disappeared pretty much off the face of the SERPs. Now I'm back to where I was.

The integration of Google Universal Search will have some peculiar side effects - at least for a while.

As I see it, each of these varied types of search results were formerly ranked by their own dedicated alogrithms. One of the challenges Google has is somehow normalizing these disparate relevance scales so that they can show the varied types of content all ranked appropriately on the same set of search results. That process inevitably has side effects, and I still expect we'll see some tweaking going forward.

Glad to hear that your disappearance was relatively short, Nocturnal.

netmeg

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 8:27 am on May 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

Yesterday my top two pages (other than my home page) completely disappeared out of the index. They'd been there for years, and have always ranked #1 or #2 for their main search phrase - "cityname event". Now eight of the top ten listings for that search phrase are 2006 schedules or descriptions of this particular event (even if you add a '2007' to the search you only get the 2006 versions, because I'm the only one who has the 2007 info so far, and my pages are gone.) The index has 654 of my urls right now, of which around 300 are supplemental - and these two pages aren't anywhere to be found; I went through all 654 listings including the supplementals. The site is database driven, so as far as structure, there's nothing on those two pages that isn't on the rest of them (except for the details of the events themselves) I do still get a #1 SERP on "event cityname" to my home page, but almost nobody ever searches that way. Hoping it's just a glitch. Just coming up to my peak season, and those are the two most requested pages on the site, apart from the home page. One is PR2 and the other has been greyed out since the last TBPR update.

Beachboy

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 5:29 am on May 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

EuropeForVisitors said: "Are you an expert on insurance? Do you have a unique angle on insurance, or are can you find "pretty cheap" writers who can supply content about insurance that's better than, or more interesting than, information about insurance that's already available on the Web? If not, where do you expect to get quality inbound links (as opposed to bought links or reciprocal links from other sites of questionable value, which Google is increasingly likely to ignore)?"

Get a tape or digital recorder. Sit down with an expert and have that person talk. You throw questions, he/she answers. If you get, say 2.5 hours of conversation, you can turn the transcript into a dozen or so pages of original, highly interesting content. If the subject is insurance, hey anybody who has been in business for 20 years has tons of useful and interesting stories to tell. More than likely getting him/her to talk isn't the problem. Asking the right questions (questions that will get that info and those stories) will be the problem. If you end up with outstanding content, you will get outstanding links.

asusplay

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 11:16 am on May 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have noticed that as from Monday the 28th May one of my sites does not rank well for the keywords it was getting good traffic for. There haven't been any changes on the site, and this is for google.co.uk as it is a UK site. However I looked at the search results for these keywords and there is quite a lot of movement. The strange thing is that this site is now ranking about 15 places lower than it was a couple of days ago for quite a few keywords. Could this be a penalty? Or is it part of what seems the monthly reshuffle?

[edited by: tedster at 3:16 pm (utc) on May 30, 2007]
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tigger

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 9:02 am on May 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

anyone seen a massive change in the serps today? my dropped site has come straight back in at number 1 for my main money term & I'm also seeing a lot of other dropped sites pulling right back up, if this last I'll be a happy man but I also know it can vanish just as fast as it pulled back

steveb

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 9:42 am on May 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

For one word search terms, some of the biggest changes ever.

For multiple words, significant changes but not especially out of the ordinary.

man in poland

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 10:33 am on May 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

Likewise, seeing BIG changes today. Single keyword search results are altered quite dramatically, plus I am seeing a number of sites which had been heavily filtered / supressed in recent months rising back up the SERPS today. Seems to be on only a few datacenters at present.

tigger

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 10:43 am on May 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

same here just a few DC's so far - hope it sticks. although it odd one word terms have very done well while 2/3 word searches have dropped.

randle

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Msg#: 3328122 posted 2:37 pm on May 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

same here just a few DC's so far

Could you post them? This is an improvement for us; [64.233.189.104...]

But I don't think this is where it's going, rather where its been.

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