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I was at a minus 30 for about 5 months and in the last couple of days my site has returned to position #6
Would you say that means that the penalty is removed?
[edited by: tedster at 11:34 pm (utc) on April 30, 2007]
GREAT news. I spend several hours and got rid of a whole lot of ALT and Title tags for Hyperlinks.. I drastically reduced the number of times my preferred keywords appeared and within days WHOOSH..... my site was in the top 6 for "blue widgits" when it was about 110 before that. It shot up to 8th position for "red widgits" and position 4 for "green widgits". I guess my pages may have been overoptimized and maybe I was repeating the keywords too often and had tripped a filter.
Also, after these changes did you place a re-inclusion request?
When I type in domain.com, it takes me strait to my front page.
Congrats anyways.. the items you mentioned are always key to look at.
How are those that have come out ranking?
What steps are those under the penalty taking?
As for me, I am continually adding unique and compelling content on a daily basis focusing on my visitors. Even though many potential visitors are now limited to finding my site, the ones that do click to page 4+ and find me enjoy a great resource. Bookmark rate is over 37%.
Time will tell.
Good luck to everyone,
[edited by: AustrianOak at 5:45 pm (utc) on Aug. 3, 2007]
6 weeks later, it got rankings back on the main term.
every week sees rises on all tail terms, though have not got my tail back to where it was.
Am ranking 14 on google for main term, for which I was 9 on before. Used to be 7000 uniques a day, now is 6,000.
spent 5 months revamping the site and going over all possible causes of this 7 month penalty. Zippo! I'm not going to spend anther 10 minutes in this vertical. Its been a great run....
time to move to roads less traveled!
Rankings slowly returned, and as of today, 12 months and 1 wek alter, they are above what they were before and traffic is highest ever for today.
After reviewing my site, I had been well bad. Junk link exchanges( I think I might even have accidentally email google about 20 times aasking for a link exchange to help with each other's [page rank lol) duplicate content x 4 for every page, dead links, hidden links(accidental) thin affilaites etc etc,
I am well back, after fixing all, so if I can come back, any site can.
That is a very long time. I won't be able to hang in there financially that long.
I am still indexed though, and have my backlinks showing. I just have every single listing dropped by 50 spots minimum, when they try to climb into page four they immediately get knocked down to seven. They start climbing again right away. It's like they are beig held back by a bungee cord.
This hurts like heck, google is over 50% of my traffic, and people depend on me for a living. Thank god I have so many return visitors, at least we can keep going as is for a little while while we fratically fix everything that can be found.
If it'll take 6 months though, it spells death for the site. There is no way I can keep it up by myself, I spend just about every waking moment on it as is.
Having seen your site,the penalty is not the +30 penalty, or the plus 950 penalty, both of which can take some time to rectify.
yours is the "my website is not set up very well" penalty.
Fix your problems, and you could be out in under a month.
I seem to have been hit with a double dose of -30 about 3 months ago. Everything I used to rank for even the site name, usually top5 got wiped out to page 6. I don't think my site sucks that much that it should be on page 6 for everything..surely!. My content gets index, and within a few hours it's ranking 1st page..24hrs later its on page 6.
I think it started with a htaccess error, all pages were redirecting to the index for a few hours before I realised and fixed it up. Couple of hours later rankings nose dived 300%.
Thinking that was the only problem I did a re inclusion letting them know the problem had been fixed and didn't hear anything for 2mths.
So I posted over at the google webmasters group. Where they told me it was my DP coop and TLA ads. OK I can understand the coop ads, I wasn't part of the scheme, was just paid to have them there and hadn't realised how spammy they had gotten. So I removed them and did a re inclusion again. I've since bit the bullet and also removed the TLA, seems a little unfair when everyone else is running them but I just want G and I to be buddies again.
I can't think of anything else that would cause this? I don't think I could be a patient as you guys waiting 6mths plus for the love to return.
This came from a reliable source so I assume it's still true and if so, it may be annoying but should give hope to some webmasters who the days are ticking by for.
However, I have also heard some example (less) where release from the penalty was witness as far as 2-3 months following a re-consideration request or even longer.
From my research, the extremes of the penalty length range from a month to 18 months.
[edited by: AustrianOak at 12:41 pm (utc) on Aug. 14, 2007]
Not showing up for a search on example.com is a problem, and could indicate the minus thrity penalty. Is your domain name previously owned? You can check the "Wayback Machine" at http:www.archive.org and see if there were previous pages. If so, use a Webmaster Tools account to communicate with Google - you might have inherited a bad history, but people have been successful in getting that kind of thing lifted when they let Google know they are a new owner.
I helped one penalized business locate hidden links that the owner didn't know were there -- it was a scheme someone on the staff had cooked up for some extra personal income. And the penalty was lifted something like thirty days after those links were gone.
So the fact that the penalty might be contagious in some situations doesn't surprise me.
Google has just taken out the last indication that something is wrong with your site's stands with Google. Search for site's domain name no longer appears beyond page 3 which gave this penalty its name. As of last night all -30 sites I've watched for the last 10 months appear as #1 on searches for their domain names.
Mind you, the penalty's still there: traffic is at its lowest it's ever been. But now you cannot tell for sure if you are penalized. You will just have to know that your site should normally come up on the first page for a particular keyword and it's SO-O-O hard to know for sure because there are many factors playing into it.
In my case there is a keyword I've watched for more than 5 years and it was always bouncing between #5 and #8 and it's now at #45, which is how I (think) I know the -30 penalty is still there. They just made it harder for you to detect it.
Talk about transparency in dealings with webmasters...
Speaking for myself, yes I do show up as #1 when I type WITHOUT quotes my domain.com. No biggie in my book, I still am in the typical page 4,5,6,7 when I type my actual domain name on it's own, as well as in quotes as "www.domain.com" and "domain.com" which I've never seen on a site that hasn't been penalized with the characteristics of this penalty/filter.
I still believe this penalty is solvable, the only frustrating part is trying to figure out what it can be month after month, or proving to Google that indeed you have done all you can in good faith and would gladly do what else is required if you or anyone else indeed knew what it was..
How is everyone else affected by this penalty seeing the changes 1script has found?
[edited by: AustrianOak at 6:22 pm (utc) on Aug. 17, 2007]
I have actually been using no-quotes mydomain.com search all this time (10 months or just about). I may have tried with quotes before but it must have made no difference because I went back to using no quotes.
I just checked and you are correct. If quotes are used, the site is in its usual spot #55 (no longer -30, but we still use the name for clarity here). So this is how I'll be checking it for the next 10 months :-)
My website is #1 for non quoted www.domain.com, domain.com and bouncing around 40-50 for quoted "www.domain.com".
Recently i have sended another reinclusion request. My website is clean as a whistle in terms of google guidelines.
I have asked also a google moderator on my country google webmaster help group for a review and some tips if something is still wrong with my site. I keep you posted on that.