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Site has PR of 3, All Pages in google cache, yet dont show up anywhere
Simple html site, but nowhere in rankings? Any help
jhonyjhony




msg:3296063
 7:42 am on Mar 29, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hello

I have a site with following characteristic

  • Site is around 6 months old
  • Site has a Page rank of 3, almost all pages has page rank
  • Simple html site
  • Not changed anything since last couple of months
  • Donít have robots.txt

    But when I do site:widgets.com it says "did not match any documents". If I pick up any long sentence in quotes and search in Google, it doesnít give any results. I checked the results in many different data centers but doesnít show up in any.

    Can anyone figure out what can be the problem in this case. Has anyone had similar problem before?

    Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

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    tedster




    msg:3297907
     10:00 pm on Mar 30, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Did you ever see results under the site: operator?

    jhonyjhony




    msg:3298108
     4:47 am on Mar 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Hi Tedster,

    No, I havent seen it any time before too.

    I have few small sites similar to that site but they are all doing quite well.

    sunny_kat




    msg:3298122
     5:36 am on Mar 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Jhony

    Check your website pages for supplemental results.
    Also how frequent do you update your website
    Do you have any thematic backlinks from content rich pages?
    Are you using anchor text as your keyword for the link purpose.

    Lots more I can suggest

    glengara




    msg:3298287
     1:04 pm on Mar 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Despite the PR3 there may be insufficient link "juice" to get it indexed, are there a lot of recips/links from your other sites?

    tedster




    msg:3298411
     4:36 pm on Mar 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Try "spidering" your own site with a link checking tool - many people like Xenu Link sleuth. The results may show you problems you weren't aware of, including server performance issues that would hurt your Google indexing.

    glengara




    msg:3298412
     4:36 pm on Mar 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Oops, overlooked the cache part, scratch that...

    Robert Charlton




    msg:3298524
     7:47 pm on Mar 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

    If I pick up any long sentence in quotes and search in Google, it doesnít give any results. I checked the results in many different data centers but doesnít show up in any.

    Grasping at straws here... Instead of long sentences, try some three, four, or five word phrases in quotes, phrases on your page that are likely to be unique.

    Also, grasping at straws... you might want to check your inlinks (from other domains) on Yahoo's Site Explorer. Then use Google to look for the pages that Yahoo shows linking to you, just to make sure they're still there.

    starec




    msg:3298534
     8:16 pm on Mar 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Did you get some web traffic from google? Ever, for any keyword?

    Do you use several subdomains on the site(including www.domain.com and domain.com)? If so, which subdomain are you using when doing the site: search?

    Do you use google webmaster tools/sitemap? Perhaps you can get some hints from there...

    centime




    msg:3298624
     10:21 pm on Mar 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Consider the following

    Did you get a very high TBPR page to link to your site when you first launched it, or did some one with high tbpr initially link to you?

    The above would account for the visible TBPR of 3

    The very high ranking link or links may have been withdrawn by the 3rd party,

    because TBPR is often as much as 6 months behind googles internal PR computations, TBPR 3 might mean nothing, you might actually be PR0 right now

    If your site has very few links, and is in a niche not in high demand, it could be de indexed at any time by google

    Plus there a lot of other reasons why google might decide not to index a site, read thru this fantastic forum for more tips

    moftary




    msg:3298912
     7:50 am on Apr 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

    excuse me but since the web pages had a TBPR of three in the last update, doesn't that mean that those pages were indexed, cached and gained PR at some point?

    Even if all incoming links to the site were removed, at least the index page should still be in google index, unless the site had an accessibility problem for a long period (beside removing the incoming links) which is unlikely.

    IMO, it's an obvious ban.

    jhonyjhony




    msg:3300102
     3:15 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

    glengara

    YES! there are surely not enough juicy links to it. But I have other sites which hardly has 1-2 poor links and still they show up my site for some exact query. So may be its not that

    tedster

    I tried Xenu too but all links shows perfectly fine

    Robert Charlton

    Tried the smallest sentence too :(

    As far as the backlinks are concerned the site has 9 in google, 206 in yahoo, infact in DMOZ too.

    starec

    Never any trafic from Google. I havent tried the google sitemap, Yup, that looks like something I should surely give a shot too

    centime
    My site is index and in Cache. Google visits it every now and then

    moftary
    All the links are there. It can be banned, but has never been listed any time.

    By the way I am SEO by Profession and have been doing SEO since last 5 years. I did have some client in the pharmacy biz, where I had the problem of site getting banned. So I know what it shows when the site gets banned. This is the first time I am clueless to the problem, any help is surely appreciated

    centime




    msg:3300111
     3:21 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

    How can you know that your site is both indexed and cached if it fails the basic site:mydomainname.com test?

    Or you could also try it with the www, that is site:www.mydomainname.com

    If you don't show for either of those test, why do you think the site is indexed or cached?

    The TBPR?

    jhonyjhony




    msg:3300131
     3:28 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

    centime

    Thanks for the reply....I have awstat for the site where it shows the googlebot had visited my site. It shows 88 hits by googlebot and 3:10 MB bandwith used.
    So as per my knowoledge googlebot is surely crawling my website.

    Yes the my problem itself is site:www.mydomainname.com doesnt show any thing but the cache:www.mydomainname.com does show my site.

    jhonyjhony




    msg:3300136
     3:32 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

    The TBPR?

    Google Toolbar Page Rank

    centime




    msg:3300213
     4:36 pm on Apr 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

    Hi,

    Googlebot crawling your site means absolutely nothing, they look at everything and probably discard most of what they get from the spiders and bots

    What is actually indexed an cached is what they've selected as being listable

    TBPR also means very little except that its a snapshot of googles measurement of your pages link popularity at one point in time.

    Once that point in time is gone, TBPR is really only something to pay attention to over very long timescales where quaterly figures are useful

    Tell you what, go create a google webmasters account if you don't already have one, tis very useful for webmasters

    moftary




    msg:3301824
     7:47 am on Apr 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

    I don't get how come you say that site: yourdomain.com shows no results and yet say that your site is indexed?

    The activity of googlebots on your site means nothing, and your pages being cached means nothing as well.

    These two factors are irrelevant to being banned or not.

    jhonyjhony




    msg:3301900
     10:19 am on Apr 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

    moftary - I don't get how come you say that site: yourdomain.com shows no results and yet say that your site is indexed?
    The activity of googlebots on your site means nothing, and your pages being cached means nothing as well.

    Does that mean that if site:mydomain.com doesnt show any results its either banned or not indexed, no matter we have the googlebot entry or our site shows in Cache?

    Frankly speaking I didnt knew this. I assumed that if my site is in google cache it has to be craled and then indexed.

    Thanks I learned something new!

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