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Is Google "Americanising" spelling on the web?
Has anyone made a note of this
atlrus

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 6:03 am on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

We all know that if you go to Google and you misspell a word, most of the time it will "spell-check" it for you.

But, it seems that it goes by American English all the time. For example, if you go to google.co.uk or google.ca and type "rumors" - it will not try to correct you, where if you type "rumours" in google.com - it will.

I was just wondering if anyone ever took a note of this.

 

coultog

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 7:44 am on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

Yes, it is.

We're all going to start spelling American...

License, Specialise, Defense (ever noticed this in Austin Powers on the Ministry of Defence building?), Center and much more.

BigDave

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 8:05 am on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

It isn't google that is doing it, it is the web itself. While you might be using it to check your spelling, what google is doing is making suggestions that will bring you more results.

Syzygy

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 9:41 am on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

The spell check facility in the Google toolbar only offers American English...

Syzygy

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 10:25 am on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

We're all going to start spelling American...
License, Specialise,

We in the colonies use license as a verb and "ise" spellings - the Americans don't use "ise" AFAIK.

I think a bigger problem is that hardly anyone knows how to spell in any language.

Lexur

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 10:58 am on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

...hardly anyone knows how to spell in any language.

Some languajes (i.e.: spanish) has an Academy wich say exactly what's right or what's wrong. Most teenager's mobile dialect has been declared incorrect.

sailorjwd

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 1:32 pm on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

I find it bizarre that the human race is still split up into so many languages. Seems like we are still in the stone age in so many ways. We can't even send a probe to Mars without f'ing up the conversion of meters to yards. International companies spend many many billions of dollars just dealing with language issues.

What a waste. Lets pick one and stick with it.

[edited by: tedster at 4:59 am (utc) on Mar. 8, 2007]

phranque

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 1:46 pm on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

Lets pick one and stick with it.

i vote for sanskrit.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 3273541 posted 2:07 pm on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

Bring back Esperanto. :-)

LifeinAsia

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 4:56 pm on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

Lets pick one and stick with it.

I vote for BASIC.

[edited by: LifeinAsia at 4:56 pm (utc) on Mar. 7, 2007]

trinorthlighting

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 5:45 pm on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

There are more american pages with slang than british pages with proper english. So I imagine google will lean more to the american.

I can not imagine how all the different types of chinese pages google filters out. There are many different dialects of languages...

atlrus

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 6:29 pm on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

I think if a company would offer a local service (such as google.co.uk) it would be a good idea to do it in the local language. I have seen similar things on google.de - sometimes it will try to give you English spelling, sometimes German.

And as far as slang and dialects - they are not part of the official language. I dont want to hear the anchormen on CNN greating me with "Ain't that some nice day today, ya'll". Or a teacher grading my daughter's homework by how the locals talk.

If you would spell-check, do it right, or dont do it at all, don't you think?

sailorjwd

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 9:01 pm on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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jimbeetle

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 9:07 pm on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

Onay away!

BigDave

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 10:43 pm on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

If you would spell-check, do it right, or dont do it at all, don't you think?

If spell checking were what they were doing, I would agree with you. But they aren't. They are making suggestions to improve your search results.

phranque

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 11:24 pm on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

But, it seems that it goes by American English all the time. For example, if you go to google.co.uk or google.ca and type "rumors" - it will not try to correct you, where if you type "rumours" in google.com - it will.

they must have "fixed" this because i get no such suggestion from either site.
as a matter of fact, P2 on the google.ca serp for that keyword is a winnipeg comedy club and there is no place you can find "rumours" in the source of that page.

is that google's disambiguation?
or is it cloaking?

12scott34

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 11:48 pm on Mar 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

ime a tarible speler. I love that google does this!

atlrus

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 2:02 am on Mar 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

If spell checking were what they were doing, I would agree with you. But they aren't. They are making suggestions to improve your search results.

Sorry, but this is unacceptable view. Just because it's not their major service, it does not mean that it has to be half-assed. They sure have the workpower (and I hope brains) to fix something as simple as using the correct dictionary with the correct domain.

And yes, it is a spell check, as they dont give you these type of suggestions if you put the correct word. If it was just suggestions, then when you type "rumors" Google would say "Did you mean gossip?" ;)

phranque

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 2:09 am on Mar 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

atlrus:

i am not seeing the "suggestion".
what is your HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE setting in your browser?

atlrus

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 2:56 am on Mar 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

US English

phranque

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 3:29 am on Mar 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

does anything change if you add en or en-uk?

BigDave

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 4:57 am on Mar 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

Sorry, but this is unacceptable view.

Unfortunately for you, it is the correct view. It is correct because that is what they do.

Just because it's not their major service, it does not mean that it has to be half-assed. They sure have the workpower (and I hope brains) to fix something as simple as using the correct dictionary with the correct domain.

But there is your problem. Have you considered the possiblity that they aren't even using *any* dictionary? They are using a list of words on the internet and words people have searched for, then suggesting similarly spelled words. I've gotten suggestings for words that aren't in any dictionary that I know of, including proper names.

And yes, it is a spell check, as they dont give you these type of suggestions if you put the correct word. If it was just suggestions, then when you type "rumors" Google would say "Did you mean gossip?"

No, it is not a spell check. You may use it as such, but that doesn't make it so. Their suggestions are based on spelling, but they are not correcting spelling.

[edited by: tedster at 2:18 am (utc) on Mar. 9, 2007]

atlrus

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 5:43 am on Mar 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

What is spelled "don't"?

http://www.asp101.com/articles/jeremy/googlespell/default.asp

"The Google web API "spell check" allows you to send a string of text
and receive alternatives for misspelled words. The power in this web
API is that the Google dictionary includes technology words that are
used in website searches, but may not have been included in a Standard
English dictionary."

"Although limitations exist in the Google web API, it makes a pretty
handy spell check for small sites or intranet applications. The
dictionary and algorithm are all stored off site so you won't need to
update word lists. The best part is that technology words are
corrected as well, For Example: Google is an error in English, however
the web API sees this as a legitimate word."

The way I see it it's like a combo of dictionary + frequently searched words. An extended dictionary, if you will.
As I said I have seen it in different languages, not just English.

http://www.mediajunk.com/public/archives/000134.html

"To display the usefulness and range of its spell checker, Google has
listed every single misspelling of the name "Britney Spears" that its
search engine detects over a three-month period.
...
Nevertheless, I wonder whether the Google spell checker is improving
people's spelling -- or further deteriorating it. As with word
processors, users may grow to rely on spell checkers doing the
"thinking" for them."

Last one:

HOW TO ADD GOOGLE SPELL CHECK TO NEW APPLICATIONS:

Dotnet Junkies Tutorial
[dotnetjunkies.com...]


BigDave

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 9:06 am on Mar 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

"don't" is spelled "don't". It is not spelled "dont". Since you seem so concerned about correct spelling, I thought I would point out a word that you misspelled twice.

Instead of all those non-google sources, why don't you check with, oh, Google.
[google.com...]
Google's spell checking software automatically looks at your query and checks to see if you are using the most common version of a word's spelling. If it calculates that you're likely to generate more relevant search results with an alternative spelling, it will ask "Did you mean: (more common spelling)?". Clicking on the suggested spelling will launch a Google search for that term. Because Google's spell check is based on occurrences of all words on the Internet, it is able to suggest common spellings for proper nouns (names and places) that might not appear in a standard spell check program or dictionary.

The only mention of a dictionary is where they compare it to a dictionary.

You can "see it" however you choose, but what it *is* is a suggestion service for different search terms. It may make a handy spelling checker, but it makes no claims to actually be a spelling checker..

thecoalman

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 11:50 am on Mar 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

I've gotten suggestings for words that aren't in any dictionary that I know of, including proper names.

I can at least confirm that, my last name is so unique a Google search will only return results closely related to me.

Anyhow changing one consonant brings up no results but a suggestion for the proper spelling.

Personally I love the spell check feature, my typing is so atrocious I frequently mistype words, it saves me the time of retyping.

BTW, the Google toolbar tells me suggestings is not a word. ;)

webdoctor

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 1:02 pm on Mar 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

it seems that it goes by American English all the time.

From where I'm standing this is NOT true.

If I search for 'licence' on Google UK I get no alternative spellings and the UK Television Licensing site is at #1.

If I search for 'colour' I get no alternative spellings either.

"If it ain't broken, don't fix it" might well apply... :-)

Sweet Cognac

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 1:18 pm on Mar 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

I check my spelling in Google a lot. Even though I
speak English, I still talk like a country bumpkin.

It seems like sometimes, even when I have the correct spelling, Google suggests a different spelling of the word, which I am not looking for.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 3273541 posted 1:38 pm on Mar 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

It seems like sometimes, even when I have the correct spelling, Google suggests a different spelling of the word, which I am not looking for.

A search engine isn't a human being, and spell checkers (or spelling recommendations) are limited in what they can do. For example, if you search on the word "lead," how is Google supposed to know that you mean the metal, and not what a president or prime minister does?

Google's suggestions are just that: suggestions. If they don't work for you, don't use 'em. (I find them helpful myself, not because I'm a poor speller but because I sometimes make typos and don't realize that I've typed "Goerge Washington" for "George Washington" until Google points out the correct alternative.)

Sweet Cognac

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 2:20 pm on Mar 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

I guess google only does that if I'm looking for a specific person or place.

Such as, if I'm looking for Bob Crandel, google suggests Crandell, and that's probably because there are lots of Crandells too.

It used to be that I could type in babyshower, and google would suggest baby shower, but not anymore, they have lumped them all together, like they have done with a lot of the words here lately.

Isn't babyshower incorrect?

panther45

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Msg#: 3273541 posted 8:57 am on Mar 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

Interesting about the language. Conservatives in the US are complaining that Wikipedia is Internationalising the language. So they are starting up Conservapedia.

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