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January 2007 Google SERP Changes - part 2
frakilk




msg:3215859
 12:16 pm on Jan 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

A very interesting article (including comments by Matt Cutts) has been posted over at PBS. It may be possible that it is related to the December/January changes
[pbs.org...]

[edited by: tedster at 8:00 pm (utc) on Jan. 11, 2007]

 

jjaall99




msg:3223177
 5:33 am on Jan 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

Mine is the same case to report but with little variation is mine site coming up & down frequently within 2 months like:

sudden hipe in traffick for a 10 days then sudden drop..dramatic changes in SERP not much hipe as previsouly I ranked at better place but today I have suddenly lost them from 3rd rank to 50th.

I have noticed significant changes with "supplimental index" has anybody have noticed any changes with this index.

clove




msg:3223180
 5:41 am on Jan 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

If one of my sites ever saw a big drop in traffic from more than one search engine at a time,

Sandy I agree with that. Ironically, we are seeing our best traffic ever at MSN and are doing well on Yahoo, as well. Our issue is with Google alone, once again here...starting last weekend.

Miamacs




msg:3223481
 1:06 pm on Jan 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

On the issue of hidden text.

Recently a designer who used to build the templates for a site in a highly competitive sector - a niche where you definately want to stay whiter-shade-of-pale hat - used some code close to this:

<h1><a href="/"><span class="hide">Buy Blue Widgets</span></a></h1>

Lovely.
The site is about blue widgets... keywords are there...
H1 and all.

Only problem is that with the css applied the text is NOT THERE.
With the class "hide" and the css applied,
An image replaces this part.
Non-selectable, not in the source code so no ALT attribute, for - as far as the browsers are concerned - it's text, not an image.

The source shows the above line, a pure text link.
The browsers show an image.
Turn off the css and the text is visible.

All headers, and all image based links are used in this way.
The nav links for the homepage use this, on all subpages.

If this isn't a case of hidden text, I wonder what is.

But...
Do try to enlighten me, what do you think?

For CSS can't be read by Google as far as I know.

Yet this looks definately wrong, and if nothing else, a manual check will get the site a penalty or even banned for good. Does any of your sites' pages use something like this?

I mean how many of the sites used heavy css based design, and I don't mean font and link styling.

Layout, images, and the hidden text practice above.

I wonder if Google is still blind to this.
Haven't checked lately.
But right now... I'd be great to know what it's implications are in the SERPs.

shogun_ro




msg:3223517
 1:53 pm on Jan 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

Here we debate about: January 2007 Google SERP Changes - part 2
Please stay on topic.

gehrlekrona




msg:3223575
 2:48 pm on Jan 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

Still no change for my site, maybe a little bit worse :(
What I am seeing in my stats is that Google is crawling my site like crazy and I am not sure what that's about.

You would think that all sites that I have should have been affected but it is my main site that has been hit! All other sites that I have on the same IP are not affected at all, not going up in SERP's and not down either so this leads me to believe, like I have posted about earlier, is that Google are doing this by "theme" or maybe "spam theme"....

JackR




msg:3223576
 2:49 pm on Jan 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

Each day the SERPs just seem to get better.

Primary Keyword 1 = #2
Primary Keyword 2 = #5
Primary Keyword 3 = #5

Instructor




msg:3223590
 2:56 pm on Jan 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

Google has destroyed our keywords search term across the board including Google's affiliate sites!

1. Sudden and severe drop in all important rankings
2. Lost all our keyword combination string terms rankings even with our site name included
a)site name is a 2 keyword term with URL #5
b)site name put together (sitename)no URL #1
c)site name put together (sitename)with URL #6
d)site name with up to 13 targeted keywords in our search term string #15+
3. Home page only moved from #1 to # 5 lost for 6 weeks prior
4. Searched for Ourwidgets.com located at #5, news sites at top that covered us #1-2-3-4
5. Searched for www.Ourwidgets.com #5 also with news sites again taking the top spots.

Patrick Taylor




msg:3223595
 3:02 pm on Jan 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

Miamacs, on that topic, see this thread -> [webmasterworld.com...]

I hope that helps.

[edited by: Patrick_Taylor at 3:03 pm (utc) on Jan. 18, 2007]

zeus




msg:3223680
 3:52 pm on Jan 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

as told before one of my sites always drop out of google on every update, but then to return later, its always a pain to see when the site goes, now I see a internal page rank on page 5 for my main keyword, where I normaly rank no.3 on page 1 with the index page, so I think I will return as soon my doman.com page gets its power back.

Miamacs




msg:3223796
 4:50 pm on Jan 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

Yeah I know shogun_ro.

It's just that I wonder how much of a difference it would make ( or is currently making ) to the SERPs if Google started to crawl CSS files and automated the penalties that used to be manual.

And Patrick, thanks!
But there's another thread as well, which is exactly about what I've been saying: [webmasterworld.com ]

But to stay on topic, or rather, add to the discussion.

It's obvious that many have missed the single most major factor of why the SERPs changed. Even though Matt Cutts more or less gave it away in the agony of having to say SOMETHING. You'll need to read between the lines.

To help you out where you should look, check your inbound links.
Make a list of the sites you were most happy about when they linked to you.
And see where those ( some of only former ) authority sites are ranked right now.

Should give you a clue if nothing else will.

Then if you must, although I don't think you should spend any more time with this, do a checklist of the anchor text these sites used to refer to your site, and match it up with the things you lost your positions for.

- This applies only to those who don't have any on-site problems. -

- And never initiated a link building campaign where ten thousand links pointed to them from the same domain. ( Sites with such issues should never be too surprised when they tank. ) -

There's nothing on the net that's cast in concrete.

Bewenched




msg:3224145
 8:35 pm on Jan 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

Boy the serps look bad this afternoon.... tons and tons of spammy sites showing up for product searches in our area. I dont think i've seen so much nextag,msnshopping,yahooshopping etc... showing up for a specific search. The manufacturers aren't even coming up in the first few pages ... wow.

sandyeggo




msg:3224304
 11:37 pm on Jan 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

lets not forget wikipedia
i wish i could make sense of this

c'mon google shake it out

gehrlekrona




msg:3224372
 12:57 am on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

Wikipedia....
if you do a search for B in Google you get Results 1 - 10 of about 2,070,000,000

on 7th place is who if not Wikipedia!

mattg3




msg:3224510
 4:01 am on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

on 7th place is who if not Wikipedia!

2nd on Google.de ..

gehrlekrona




msg:3224518
 4:21 am on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

So now we know what Google likes. does ANYBODY else like Wikkipedia? I NEVER read anything. If I see it in the serp's i don't go there!
But I guess, Google LOVES content and it sure has content, content nobody reads anyway. People just write to get links or somethings... boost their ego, maybe and can't create their own web sites....

almir




msg:3224526
 4:49 am on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

wikipedia has 55300 Google backlinks, so its not just content.

But who cares for wikipedia, when we'll come back?

I am out for 22 days already

shogun_ro




msg:3224537
 5:04 am on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

I am out for 32 days, but 2 days I was back.
So there are 30 days and 30 nights of insomnia.
This is the only one site I left in webmaster tools.
The rest all recovered some of them after deletion from webmaster tools account.

sandyeggo




msg:3224575
 6:54 am on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

{The rest all recovered some of them after deletion from webmaster tools account. }

? can you elaborate on that? You deleted a webmaster account and it came back?

toothake




msg:3224587
 7:14 am on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

Lets say and something positive here,2 relatively new travel sites got the top 10 finally for 1 keyword (place name)
Now about
"lets not forget wikipedia "
I was wonder how much money Google and publishers are loosing from wikipedia that ranks in every topic, ranking over websites that are dedicated to the subject sometimes with wiki pages that are stub,and don't forget wiki with the latest "give money to keep wiki go....with the clever act of donations from various suckers" made over a million $ within a month.....
my 2 cents.

shogun_ro




msg:3224588
 7:15 am on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

? can you elaborate on that? You deleted a webmaster account and it came back?

In my webmaster account I had 3 sites.
Two of them recovered 3 days after deletion from webmaster account.
I'm not sure that deleting them produce positive effect.
What I know is the fact that I have last unrecovered site listed in webmaster account and I'm thinking to delete him too.

toothake




msg:3224589
 7:20 am on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

Wikipedia again ,I was wondering why many countries have not yet complain to Google about the #1 position that gives to wiki for many searches "country name" while the official country sites are neglected.

sandyeggo




msg:3224598
 7:51 am on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

This is a longshot, but has anyone that has gotten hammered lately by google switched registrars in the last few months? I'm just taking stabs here i know, but I switched after we went to the pubcon show in vegas..
Lost almost 90% of google visitors since 1/17 around lunchtime

soapystar




msg:3224653
 10:10 am on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

has anyone that has gotten hammered lately by google switched registrars in the last few months

given the target audience and timespan the answer will of course be yes many times over. You could also ask
has anyone that has gotten hammered lately by google NOT switched registrars in the last few months

and of course the answer will be the same...

toothake




msg:3224699
 11:18 am on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

Does anybody wants to start a new thread about the wikipedia PHENOMENON?.OK Google placed a "wanted" flag for affiliate sites ,OK we obbey and created informational sites ,but what kind of blú$%y sites can we do if wiki has the the upper hand for every topic except :real estate ,flights ,hotels ,pharma ,adult and loans.....in fact all the topics that have been under a havy filter.Does anyone wants to give us a clue?
Topic #2 .....just thoughts
1}Somewhere I read Mr Jimbo is friend of Sergey
2}Mr Jimbo allies with amazon for a new search engine
3}Google has not enough space and capacity to index the whole world information >>>see MC about no links no honey = sups>(out of topic)
4}Stale unupateded sites from 97 with no penalties rule the game
What the $%^&* is goin on.

[edited by: tedster at 11:34 am (utc) on Jan. 19, 2007]

BillyS




msg:3224717
 11:46 am on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

Wiki is now an authority on every topic. I've even seen unfinished pages ranking #1 for high volume terms.

toothake




msg:3224723
 11:56 am on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

"Wiki is now an authority on every topic."
Can someone explain what an authority can be a teenager that can edit a page about cancer and someone take it seriously.
In fact wikipedia is very dangerous because of its nature that can be edited by any troll,there are political articles,articles about minorities,articles about disputed geographical borders that reflect a certain point of view of a certain troll.Is that a source of knowledge that my child can take information to write an essay at school and be suspenede because of it?

Quadrille




msg:3224749
 12:42 pm on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

Children are trusting souls.

Parents - surely - should teach their children that much of what they see on the Internet is lies, rubbish, stuff to fool SEs, etc., etc.

We know that; even the people publishing the dross have children - you can bet they warn their kids to avoid the trash.

Equally obvious that any parent will warn that wikipaedia is hardly to be trusted at all.

I'm surprised that a teenager would believe anything they find on the web. Impressed, really.

soapystar




msg:3224761
 1:00 pm on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

and yet peer reviewed tests of the legitamacy of wiki articles shows it stands up very well against recognised trusted sources such as britanica...surpassing them in some areas....

mattg3




msg:3224790
 1:27 pm on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

and yet peer reviewed tests of the legitamacy of wiki articles shows it stands up very well against recognised trusted sources such as britanica...surpassing them in some areas....

Ask yourself do you want to be operated on with a WP trained doctor, seeing Grays anatomy from 19something.

Anyway: One site still suffers with the faulty ISP Geotargeting algo delivering english pages to Germans. The German site seems to go back to pre January quake traffic.

[edited by: mattg3 at 1:40 pm (utc) on Jan. 19, 2007]

skweb




msg:3224797
 1:35 pm on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

Re: Deletion of account from webmastercentral

I had my website listed there and did nothing. The website is now back as normal before 1/14.

McClaw




msg:3224860
 2:29 pm on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

The same thing that happened to your sites also happened to one of mine on around the 16 (Havent run proper stats yet)

The strange thing is that most of the keywords that I used to rank on page one, I now rank on page 50 and lower, except the very first keywords I ranked for.

Even 5 to 6 term keywords that I ranked well for has tanked.

I think the internal navigation links dial has been tweaked to cause this.

All of my pages with good external links are still holding strong (ish), but the pages with few links ( and Mostly internal links) have dropped off dramatically.

Might be a good idea to send each other our sites, to do some cross checking and see if there are any similarities.

What do you guys think?

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