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January 2007 Google SERP Changes - part 2

 12:16 pm on Jan 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

A very interesting article (including comments by Matt Cutts) has been posted over at PBS. It may be possible that it is related to the December/January changes

[edited by: tedster at 8:00 pm (utc) on Jan. 11, 2007]



 11:26 pm on Jan 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

Patent idee for google! Run the bots over WebmasterWorld on word "problem" To much in one week, than rollback.


 12:40 am on Jan 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

he he... here's another idea... Stop using Microsft Access as your database, remove all cached pages, stop using duplicate content (Google.co.uk and other Google TLD's)
Get better ranking by adding stuff to your home page (remember content is King) and try to be creative.
Move the AdSense to the top of the page and remove the ones to the right. Add some images to your AdSense ads.
Oh yeah, if it is not broke, "DO NOT FIX IT!"


 4:32 am on Jan 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

Regarding the DC you mentioned [] it isn't as "updated" as the rest of the DCs, I guess.

Maybe. But when a site is lost, all DC's show the same thing in an hour or two.
They update from another "main DC".


 11:47 am on Jan 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

skweb - It is getting a little scary now, Im not listed for any keyword on any database, but site still have PR5, backlinks, not much has changed, but I dont see that big changes/flux in serps anymore so it is getting a little scary.


 12:26 pm on Jan 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

I am still ranking for a few search terms so I am assuming it is not a penalty. Everything else is in place: backlinks, thousands of indexed pages, page rank, etc.

It has happened before to me, though once it took one month (6/27 to 7/27) and another time even longer to come back even stronger.

Oh, the wonders of Google.


 5:50 pm on Jan 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

Oh, the wonders of Google.

One might also wonder why a site going from PR5 to 6 lost traffic ...


 6:03 pm on Jan 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

One might also wonder why a site going from PR5 to 6 lost traffic ...

Because ranking and traffic are unrelated to visible pagerank.


 8:23 pm on Jan 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

Guys, is there a possibility that there is some kind of computer trouble at the Googleplex? At this moment, here in New England, Google is completely down and sometimes no AdSense ads are being served. I have not been able to visit Google Video for over a week now (sometimes I can but then it stops half way or it is hard to watch a video). I also see that no matter what website I go to, since I have the toolbar installed, it takes time to load it and I keep seeing that Google-analytics server is up to something.


 8:44 pm on Jan 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

Well, I am from Belgium and yesterday I saw my filmblog drop from 1300 to 400 visitors. When I checked I saw that I lost most of my new Google-links. Some google-entries still are active but are from older posts.

This sucks! Ans what is mostly frustrating is that they don't warn you. They just go and change their algo's and here you go, you can start from scratch.


 10:14 pm on Jan 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have found an intresting patern to sites doing well now in one sector I know the most about.

I am seeing sites get together and put up a site like a trust site.
The title will be such as "Widgets we have looked and these are lowest prices etc on the internet".

then they will have articles from sources within these sites banners etc and have links to them on their sites. The trust site is on a different server but I can get the owner info and see he owns several of the sites on this site or at least has contact info but server locations are all different.

So we have same owner different servers sites couple other sites banning together building a trust site one way linking coming together and doing well. I need to get to a SEO convention as this works well and I need some friends to get this going with as well.

Makes sense easy to do and impossible to stop,


 11:26 pm on Jan 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

MY SITE : ::: 5 years old, a few backlinks but not many. Part of my adwords monthy spend also so it's been on the Google radar for years.

This site has been ranking ok for years and dipping up and down like the rest of us.

16th Jan = Site Gone From ALL DC's?

We have pretty much done nothing new with this site? I checked webmaster tools and it tells me the site is NOT in the index.

However we still have pagerank and it is still getting crawled and there is still a cache page.

Anyone care to comment? Are we gone or should I wait a few days?


 11:53 pm on Jan 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

No comments... and Matt in " vacation ".... This is very rare.



 12:55 am on Jan 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

Kidder, I think you have to wait more like 2 months to get it back. That is what I have seen with my sites in all these crappy updates. It seems like they turn everything up and down every 2 months for any reason.
What I have seen this time is that anchor links are getting better rankings and I don't know if it will stick or not or it is just something they are testing as usual.

But it's a good tip. Check your links,!

MC, why would he say anything? He denies everything all the time.


 10:34 pm on Jan 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

< This post was moved here from another location >

We are noticing a shift in SERPs today, especially these past few hours.

All changes in our sectors of observation are for the better: sites that should rank well still are or are again, and sites that were ranking well these past couple weeks but weren't great, have now been pushed down.

The SERPS right now look as good as they have ever been during the past 6 months. Still not perfect perhaps (they will never be "perfect"), but the best so far.

Are you noticing any changes in your sectors' SERPs? And being as objective as you can be, are they for better or for worse?

[edited by: tedster at 12:58 am (utc) on Jan. 17, 2007]


 3:48 am on Jan 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

gehrlekrona -- How do you come with the number or "2 months"?

In the past we have seen lost of shifts in the SERPS but never before have I lost a site. Or should I say google lost our site.


 3:55 am on Jan 17, 2007 (gmt 0)


Lucky you, I dont see any changes on better on any of my site


 4:07 am on Jan 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

Yes no change.
This is the silence before the storm.:)


 4:10 am on Jan 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

June 27th my site disappears like a lot of other site.
About August 16th the site came back again just to disappear again after a month.
Then it was gone until November 15th and now it is January 15th and the site disappear again.


 4:17 am on Jan 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

Because ranking and traffic are unrelated to visible pagerank.

One still wonders.. not doubting the validity of your statement, but aehm logic.. ;) The Google wonderland .. where red is wide and walls taste of olive ice cream .. and this sentence makes sense .. somehow .. and is definitly king of some sort.. or another.. I am detecting Schroedingers cat here somewhere or at least a red herring .. which would be wide using above definition.

Anyway that it is a fact doesn't mean it has to make sense.


 4:55 am on Jan 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

Is your site still in the index - have you checked in Google webmaster tools? Or has it just dropped in the rankings?


 5:17 am on Jan 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

I don't know if my sites are penalized or just suffer from fluctuations in ranking like many other sites. I do notice a sudden drop in ranking every two months. I have 4 subdomains which are for different niches with totally different content. They are about 1 year to 2 years old. In Sept, the ranking for one subdomain dropped so much that I could not find my site with all relevant keyword search. The other subdomain was not affected (still in the first page of targeted search terms). The first subdomain climbed back slowly and got better ranking than before in Nov. Now it is gone again (Jan 14, 15). Worse still, it seems to affect all of my subdomains this time.

All my sites are still in Google index but I just found out that Google had problem verifying my sites on Sept 24 and 3 out of 4 subdomains showed "verification problems, not verified".

If my sites are penalized, I don't know what triggers it because I only had a few link exchanges in the past few months and I added new content regularly.

I almost got a heart attack when I found that the traffic from Google has dropped to nil yesterday and I could not find my sites with all targeted keyword phrases. I am keeping my fingers crossed and hope that they will come back stronger like they did last time.


 5:28 am on Jan 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

Well we have never been back on top since the 27th of June. We have always been in the index but never quite up there like before. Now we have to contend with this new and far worse situation. Webmaster tools is all I can work with to see if I can get the site back into the index. It's pretty bad losing all of your type in direct traffic!

How can a whole site drop out?


 6:17 am on Jan 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

kidder, in "the old days", before whatever this is that is going on now, we always suggested people go through the Dropped Site Checklist [webmasterworld.com]. It's still a good idea to do that, just in case there is an old-style reason behind your site's complete disappearance.


 6:36 am on Jan 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

Well we are in 2007 now.
Maybe it's time to start a new "Dropped site checklist v.2007" to find a pattern.


 7:13 am on Jan 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

Let's work on it here - so far we've only got descriptions of the problem, and that's not a checklist yet, it's pretty much pure mystery so far.

1. Most people in this thread seem to be reporting a drop in ranking, and even a severe drop.
2. Others are reporting the disappearance of just their home page.
3. Some are talking about seeing selected urls vanish from the site: operator search, but still getting Google traffic on them.
4. There a few who are talking about a complete delisting for the entire domain.

But as I said, we have no details to go on so far to build a checklist -- not even guesses, just the big mystery. Even a list of things you have ruled out can be helpful. In fact, I believe we have ruled out connections to having AdWords or AdSense accounts, right?

So let's fill in the picture a bit, being sure to say which type of problem you are seeing.


 7:16 am on Jan 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

There is an awfull lot of "maybes" on that list. I am thinking glitch but I am interested to see if anyone else has the exact same problem. My site is still getting crawled daily according to the reprt on webmaster tools - this does not seem consistant with a ban.


 10:33 am on Jan 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

They just turned down whats relevent - probably an attempt to push adwords revenue again

The serps are currently weaker than ever imo.

A site can have a page dedicated to "Blue widgets" and google will now rank an alternative page on the site for "pink yellow widgets today" instead of the dedicated page.

I dont know about anyone else but it looks like an effort to deliver serps that are "just about" in the ball park for the search string but perhaps so weak that the user returns to the search (perhaps clicks on adwords thats the objective)or has to dig deep into the site to get the information they want.

It was only a short while back that a search string would produce results that were bang on the money - thats what gave them the market share and thats what we all loved about google.

Since the roll out of the infastructure last year they have done well at increasing revenues so this messing is working well for them but user experience is imo at an all time low as a result


 11:51 am on Jan 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

My own site pages that have anchor text links to the more relevant pages for a search using the same anchor text, outrank the more relevant pages.

Does that even make sense?


 12:06 pm on Jan 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

Wel I have a filmblog that had been slammed by Google, and is IDENTICAL to another filmblog on the same blog-server (same amount of posts, links, weight, ... only the background-color is the same).

So no, there is no patern.

Does it help to contact Google?


 1:33 pm on Jan 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

Pico-Train, you hit the nail on the head!
Here's my best guess. Right now they are testing or have just implemented the use of anchor text from IBL's
Keywords that I used to rank for I am nowhere to be found but I see sites that have the same keywords in their IBL's

There has been talk about how important the anchor text is that other have in their link to you and I think this is it! IF this is what it is then there's a lot of work to be done changing all IBL's on sites that link to us.


 1:57 pm on Jan 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

We had a client who was recently deindexed and runs a small blog. We were a bit baffeled ourselves as to why. We dug deep and found that a poster on his blog was posting relevant comments that seemed harmless, but then he was also link spamming by using invisible text on the posts.

We only found that by checking the source code of every page. So some of you might want to look at that issue. Once we removed the links google started to reindex the blog.

Guess the linkspammers are getting smarter.

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