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"UK results only" - site: command shows index page missing (part 2)
tedster




msg:3215675
 6:32 am on Jan 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

Matt Cutts blogged about this issue today:

I thought we'd nailed this issue in December, but we found another way that this can happen. I believe a fix has been submitted and is percolating its way through the system... However, if you

1) have a .com that is hosted outside the US,
2) searching on (say) google.co.uk for [site:yourdomain.com] returns your root page and all your pages for "Search the web";,
3) if you switch to (say) "pages from the UK", the root 'page does not appear but the rest of your pages do,

...then this paragraph applies to you. I'd wait 4-5 days to let this second change percolate completely into our index, and if you still see the behavior after 4-5 days, please leave a comment with the name of your site.

[mattcutts.com...]

[edited by: tedster at 6:15 pm (utc) on Jan. 11, 2007]

 

Wilburforce




msg:3215820
 11:24 am on Jan 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

I thought we'd nailed this issue in December

Obviously it was the "fix" in December that took my index page out again.

However, it has returned this morning, so perhaps my earlier pessimism was unwarranted. Let us hope this now has fixed it for everyone.

sem4u




msg:3215965
 2:19 pm on Jan 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

I am a bit late to this thread but this is what I found when I searched Google UK today:

5 .com sites have their home pages coming up OK.

3 .com sites do not.

Wilburforce




msg:3216083
 3:29 pm on Jan 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

5 .com sites have their home pages coming up OK.

3 .com sites do not.

What was the case yesterday?

One of my competitors (currently world #2 for key search term) has not returned. I'm keeping a close eye on it, but right now it looks to me like:

1. The fix is running on that DC (my own site is now in), and (therefore)
2. The fix is flawed (it isn't working for all sites affected).

If so, we're looking at another bout of some sites coming back in, and some going back out.

sem4u




msg:3216112
 3:45 pm on Jan 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

I don't know if it was like that yesterday Wilburforce as I didn't check.

djmick200




msg:3217201
 1:12 pm on Jan 12, 2007 (gmt 0)

When I read the post on MC's blog I thought I'd have another check on the .com's I have hosted in the UK. I had done so sometime back when this thread started and each time when I have seen it back at the higher end of the threads list. The four or five I have were all fine.

Thats was all except one domain. I forgot all about it and never checked it until yesterday.

When I do site:www.mysite.com there is no root page showing up on google.com or google.co.uk
When I do the same search on google.co.uk and hit "pages from the UK" it appears top of the pile.

The domain in question is a blog, it's also entirely supplemental with exception to the root page when doing the search on google.co.uk and hitting "pages from the UK"

Do you think this is related to the problems being discussed here? Any thoughts you may have would be appreciated.

soapystar




msg:3220349
 11:10 pm on Jan 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

this problem still remains. homepage shows for site command until you hit UK ONLY. Then the uk hosted .info site loses the homepage.

Total Paranoia




msg:3223429
 11:45 am on Jan 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

Still have the problem for some of the .com's I look after. I did check some of the domains on Matts blog from owners that had reported the problem there and they are appearing in the UK index again. Has anyone here found their homepage back in the UK index?

I do not know whether to post my domains on Matts blog or just sit it out for a few more days.

soapystar




msg:3223456
 12:26 pm on Jan 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

almost sounds like it was a site by site fix.......

when you post on his blogs one field is for your url...

M_Bison




msg:3224697
 11:09 am on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

almost sounds like it was a site by site fix.......

I doubt it, there's just too many sites to fix, and if there's one thing that Google likes is a nice scaled, algorithmic solutions.

dangerman




msg:3224704
 11:27 am on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

Has anyone here found their homepage back in the UK index?

No I have an authority site that has its index page out of the UK search for over a week now. Can't see what harm it does to post on mc's blog, so I am off to do this now...

soapystar




msg:3224746
 12:37 pm on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

I doubt it, there's just too many sites to fix, and if there's one thing that Google likes is a nice scaled, algorithmic solutions.

except that matt said he had about 7 examples i believe....since only the examples posted on his blogg sem to be fixed it would seem a site by site fix of the examples he had....

Total Paranoia




msg:3225248
 7:16 pm on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

I know one thing - almost all sites that are posted there seem to be fixed now.

M_Bison




msg:3225768
 8:22 am on Jan 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

I know one thing - almost all sites that are posted there seem to be fixed now.

I'm not seeing that. In fact, the problem has become more and more widespread since he posted, at least for the sites I'm watching.

Total Paranoia




msg:3225846
 11:55 am on Jan 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

M Bison check the sites in the thread: [mattcutts.com...]

As I say - checking site:www.domain.com on UK filtered results for the example domains posted there - most seem to be fixed.

Yes of course Google are fixing this through the algo - but all I am saying is that most of the people who have posted their URL on MC's Blog appear to have the problem fixed.

daveblake




msg:3226340
 10:44 pm on Jan 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

Agree with above comments. 48 hours after posting a comment on the blog my index page was back in.

soapystar




msg:3226917
 8:01 pm on Jan 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

looks fixed for me....

Wibfision




msg:3226936
 8:39 pm on Jan 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

It's not fixed for my site, so there must be loads of others it's also not fixed for.

M_Bison




msg:3227245
 5:12 am on Jan 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

It has been suggested that the problem occurs when the home page is changed. Is anyone seeing this?

fishfinger




msg:3227553
 2:23 pm on Jan 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

No, I'm not.

I have static sites where nothing changes that were hit and I have at least 1 dynamic site that changes every page refresh (and it's all spiderable) that has never been hit.

I still see it on many sites.

donelson




msg:3232282
 1:13 am on Jan 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

We have a bunch of TLD ".net" sites hosted in the UK, and all but one shows the home page correctly in the Google.co.uk "pages from the UK" listings.

<But one of our websites> shows inner pages. It is not a .COM, but is a .NET website, listed at #2 or so in the SERPs for: <search term removed>

We did briefly see the home page in the SERPs, but for a while it's been back to showing one of the inner website pages.

I sent Matt Cutts a blog posting on this. But I wonder if the .NET sites are affected the same way as the .COM sites...

<Sorry, no specifics.
See Forum Charter [webmasterworld.com]>

[edited by: tedster at 2:20 am (utc) on Jan. 26, 2007]

activeco




msg:3233357
 9:32 pm on Jan 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

In some cases there are canonical issues involved.
If you have .com/.net/.org, etc AND co.uk., especially with (near) duplicate content, the co.uk (or even other tld) could be picked as the canonical one and the other excluded from the UK index. That's why you can't see it with site:domain.com query.
Check the unique phrases from your root page and see which domain returns it (in the UK search).

soapystar




msg:3233388
 10:06 pm on Jan 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

it would be a bit strange if that was the case while other sites in all sorts of languages are having mutliple listings under all the different domain extensions...

activeco




msg:3233445
 11:01 pm on Jan 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

Globally yes, but only one counts "from UK".

activeco




msg:3233477
 11:55 pm on Jan 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

If you have multiple samedomain.tld's, even better way to check what pages are in UK index, is to issue "inurl:samedomain" (without tld) query, using "from UK" option. Find out all your pages under "different" domains and only then you can be sure if you have missing ones.

M_Bison




msg:3234631
 6:43 am on Jan 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

Anyone else thinking this issue has something to do with duplicate content?

The first 5 words of the meta description for my home page are the same as the first five words on each page (boilerplate). Since some of my pages had no meta descriptions, that might have been causing a trigger to go off.

Yesterday, I changed the meta description for my home page and added unique meta descriptions to those pages without meta descriptions. I'm hoping this will help based on past experience.

This issue has been going on since August last year, and since then, I have:

- redirected .com.au to .com
- redirected non-www to www
- redirected index.php to /
- redirected any unnecessary query strings to non-query stringed URL.
- redirected https to http
- rewritten most of site's meta descriptions

All seem to have worked previously, so I am hoping I am on the right track with my latest fix.

activeco




msg:3234744
 12:56 pm on Jan 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

- redirected non-www to www
- redirected index.php to /

Slightly off topic, but you have a double redirection here. While it shouldn't be a big problem, it would be adviseable to redirect (301) index.php to www too.

Total Paranoia




msg:3246054
 6:15 am on Feb 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

Finally - the .coms I look after all showing again in UK searches. Just hope it sticks!

What are you seeing? Are your .coms back in?

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