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What are the benefits of high PR?
sandpetra




msg:3213630
 5:53 pm on Jan 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

There has been a few threads on PR recently and it seems to me most people (thankfully) now accept PR is not traffic, nor is it high ranking, not in itself anyway.

When all other variables are similar, PR may kick in (I think).

But what is the benefit of a high PR these days. For instance:

If the rumours are true, then a high PR site gets spidered more frequently - which of course is key becuase if (as you should be) writing new keyword rich content for your site (targeting the long tail of course) then a high pr is of a real benefit as it gets your page in google fast.

So if a PR5 site gets spidered once a week, what PR would i need to get spidered once a day (if these rumours are true) or again is it more complicated than my simple observation.

Can anyone confirm this or expand on this or more accurate observed benefits of a high PR?

 

davidgid




msg:3213713
 7:00 pm on Jan 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

For me the biggest benefit of a high PR is when it comes to link exchanges. It makes it easier to get a webmaster to swap links when you offer a link exchange to a page that is on topic and has a strong PR. PR is just a bit of evidence to factor into the mix.

centime




msg:3213729
 7:13 pm on Jan 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

I don't have a single page higher than TBPR3, but spidering by Google hasn't been an issue to date, hope that continues

However, methinks a value of TBPR may lie in Google public stance on the importance of the page rank system, to google, TBPR probably give some guidance as to the weight google gives to that page, not current but one hopes the page wouldn't have lost the respect of its peers since the last TBPR update,hmm, 6 mths ago

Anyway, in most niches I inhabit, high tbpr sites do fairly well in the SERPs

[edited by: centime at 7:13 pm (utc) on Jan. 9, 2007]

moftary




msg:3213730
 7:13 pm on Jan 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

It's not a rumour, sandpetra.
The more PR your site homepage has, the more frequent your sites gets spidered.
I would say that it would take your say to be PR8 to be spidered on daily basis.

BigDave




msg:3213734
 7:17 pm on Jan 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

When all other factors are equal ANY factor will lead to higher ranking.

PR is still an important factor. It is just not the overriding power that it used to be.

People tend to compare TBPR that are a few points apart as proof that it no longer has influence. "A PR3 page ranks above a PR6 page" is not proof that PR is no longer important, any more than "a page without the keyword in the title ranks above a page with the keyword in the title" is proof that title tags are no longer relevant.

And toolbar PR goes from 0 to 10. I would love to see your PR1 highly-optimized page beat out a PR10 unoptimized page that tangentially covers the subject.

PR matters for ranking, just not as much as it used to.

There is a bit of a trend around here to ignore yesterday's important factors for the current factor-of-the-day. Google uses hundreds of factors, so they don't readily throw one out when they add new ones.

It also matters for crawling frequency, but again, it is not the only factor. And it makes a difference for keeping out of the supplemental index, but again, it is not the only factor.

davidgid




msg:3213749
 7:25 pm on Jan 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

I agree BigDave. I have lost more than my fair share of ppc revenue to digg, netscape, and reddit. Though, Netscape is the worst.

plasma




msg:3213888
 9:29 pm on Jan 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

When all other factors are equal ANY factor will lead to higher ranking.

Yeah, but PR can be aquired easily. Other "optimizations" can be risky and difficultier.

BigDave




msg:3213902
 9:46 pm on Jan 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

Yeah, but PR can be aquired easily.

*Some* PR can be acquired easily. High PR is a bit more difficult. That explains why PR is not the powerhouse that it used to be, but it also explains why very high PR pages still win out over low PR pages just about every time.

If you stop thinking of PR as the thing on the toolbar that is almost certainly logarithmic, and think of the real linear PR, it might start making more sense. They may just be throwing out the lower order bits when it comes to using PR in the calculations. It is a common way of eliminating noise.

The last I checked, it was a lot easier for me to get a keyword in my domain and title tags, which leads to a lot of anchor text with those words, than it is for me to get a PR9.

sandpetra




msg:3213918
 10:01 pm on Jan 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

As most threads about PR speculation, I think it's getting a wee bit off - topic for me, anyeroads.

Just to reiterate:

What is the benefit of High PR?

1. Site Spidered more
2. Let's just say ranking benefits

Is that it? Mind you, those are the main points!

I just wanted :

i) Clarification the site is spidered more on a high PR (with examples if any)
ii) link exchanges (I'm not talking about buying or selling links - I have no experience here)
iii) Any other benefits

i didnt want to get bogged down with the big hitters and "PR does or doesnt affect ranking" debate or how easy it is to get it.

In my opinion getting a high PR is worth just for spidering benefits.

centime




msg:3213936
 10:12 pm on Jan 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

If a Page had high PR, say 9, and was the page 1 of the world wide definitive article on say the Planet Neptune, and it only gets updated 4 times a year

why would google spider it every day?

Conversely, a new chatty blog, by freelance social journalist, updated , daily, or even hourly,

That might get spidered by all the SE's hourly

Perhaps you need to show the SE's that your site is worth spidering more often, consider using webmaster tools an the sitemap

However, as has been mentioned, high PR would probably have a beneficial impact in the SERPS

Mind you, google does prefer it if links are acquired in a meritocratic & natural way

Good Luck

BigDave




msg:3213940
 10:17 pm on Jan 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

As for the crawl speed, PR helps, but only if Google has reason to crawl regularly.

At my college, I found out at the beginning of fall quarter that I can request web space, so I did. My school website went up in late September and was listed on the index page (PR6) for students and faculty whose name begins with 'A'. There are about 60 links on that page, and my link was the first one added in about a year.

It took Google till December to find my page from that PR6 page!

That PR6 page just isn't crawled that often because it doesn't have a history of changing much. The only known links are from other pages in that alphabetical directory.

So it isn't *just* the PR that affects the crawl rate. If you want to be crawled more, you need to give googlebot a reason to crawl more.

trinorthlighting




msg:3213952
 10:26 pm on Jan 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

There are no benefits of page rank because we can not see the real behind the scenes page rank that only google knows!

Besides that, its great entertainment hearing people still trying to chase it...

arieng




msg:3213984
 10:51 pm on Jan 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

I'm sure most already know this, but worth mentioning. Google's webmaster tools lets you specify how often you'd like to have your site spidered. However, I'm sure that if you say 'Daily' and the spider doesn't find any updated content, it won't take many visits for Google to start slowing it down.

kamikaze Optimizer




msg:3214025
 11:38 pm on Jan 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

My PR8 site gives me some serious Geeky Bragging Rights. :)

Pirates




msg:3214030
 11:46 pm on Jan 9, 2007 (gmt 0)

Pr determines weight of link.

66sore




msg:3214169
 2:25 am on Jan 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

My page rank 4 sites get so little organic search results. Lately. :-((

andrewshim




msg:3214205
 3:14 am on Jan 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

High PR gives you the edge when negotiating the sale of a website or advertisement space.

Recently, I applied to join a text ads program. When I applied, I was just bumped up to a PR4. When they checked, they still saw my site as PR2 and rejected me. I replied that my site's PR was recently upped, and they accepted me. I later found out that many of these programs base their ad rates for your site in part on your PR.

And yes... now, people ask me to trade links instead of the other way round.

Off topic : I like them green pixels.

minnapple




msg:3214255
 4:50 am on Jan 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

Higher live PR = Deeper crawls, less supplemental issues.

tedster




msg:3214284
 5:35 am on Jan 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

less supplemental issues

Fewer issues of many kinds, I think. With enough PR (or perhaps because of the trust that accompanies that many inbound links) domains seem to acquire a kind of immune system.

I see sites with a high PR home page doing all kinds of things that could be suicidal for a domain with a low PR home page. I sometimes think that the algo cannot automatically penalize in the face of high PR, although we know that a human can certainly place a penalty or ban by hand.

Still, high PR or not, really stupid errors can hurt the site rankings and traffic. The algo is still the algo.

minnapple




msg:3214309
 6:00 am on Jan 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

A higher level .gov link or the likes is magical beyond pr.

kamikaze Optimizer




msg:3214328
 6:18 am on Jan 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

Tedster:
domains seem to acquire a kind of immune system.

I tend to agree with you on this. But I also feel that this come with authoritative status also, not just high PR.

I have an old (relatively speaking, in relationship to the age of the key phrase) URL that is authoritative. Even when it was a PR5, I could do just about anything stupid with it and it was protected.

[edited by: kamikaze_Optimizer at 6:19 am (utc) on Jan. 10, 2007]

pleeker




msg:3214338
 6:28 am on Jan 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

So if a PR5 site gets spidered once a week, what PR would i need to get spidered once a day (if these rumours are true) or again is it more complicated than my simple observation.

My PR5 site is crawled every day, because it's updated every day.

domains seem to acquire a kind of immune system

tedster, wouldn't "trust" be the word for that?

It's all about trust, I say. :)

BigDave




msg:3214349
 6:43 am on Jan 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

It's all about trust, I say.

I love how at any given time, Google seems to be a one factor search engine to some people.

pleeker




msg:3214373
 7:48 am on Jan 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

I love how at any given time, Google seems to be a one factor search engine to some people.

No need to be so literal, BigDave. I'm just echoing the previous sentiments that you can get away with more things when you have trust ... or an "immune system", if you like. :)

kidder




msg:3214395
 8:15 am on Jan 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

Trust can come with age but does not always high mean PR. :)

BigDave




msg:3214406
 8:19 am on Jan 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

Well, I think "trust" is mostly just the word of the day around here, just like "authority" was a few months ago.

By concentrating on the latest fad, usually without real understanding, leads to the latest fad getting credit or blame fur just about everything that happens.

plasma




msg:3214485
 10:44 am on Jan 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

High PR pages might be preferred when there are multiple results from your site to choose from.

centime




msg:3214509
 11:08 am on Jan 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

The last time I notice a longterm change in TBPR was in June, then in November , depending on where I view the site, different location different datacenter i suppose, i saw changes, but those changes do not seem pervasive over all the data centres

Ergo, as far as I can see, TBPR is 6 to 9 mths behind whatever figure google is working with right now,

sandpetra




msg:3214530
 11:49 am on Jan 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

This thread about PR is actually quite interesting now, a few different angles.

abacuss




msg:3214637
 1:33 pm on Jan 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have a TLBR PR8 site and I think googlebot crawls my pages on a daily basis.

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