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January 2007 Google SERP Changes
helpnow

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 2:31 am on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

< Some of this discussion continues from the December thread: [webmasterworld.com...] >

We have noticed some moderate ranking changes in the past 24 hours, which have reverted to previous ranking positions dating back to the middle of December.

Our rankings are secure, so I am not writing this as a complaint, but as the sharing of an obersvation: there is a new shift occuring right now.

In addition, we have also observed a reduction in the number of double listing "authority rankings" for various sites over the past 2 weeks or so. Many of these previous double rankings were indeed redundant, so this removal of some double listings is a perceived good thing in our opinion, at least in the sectors we watch.

Is anyone else having these same sorts of observatiosn these past 24 hours?

[edited by: tedster at 7:25 pm (utc) on Jan. 5, 2007]

 

tedster

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 2:38 am on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

The observation about fewer double entries rings a bell with me -- even going back a few weeks. In fact I begin to wonder if there is some extra barrier in place to go from #11 to #10.

Yes, I'm also seeing some minor shuffling today.

braap

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 3:07 am on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

"In fact I begin to wonder if there is some extra barrier in place to go from #11 to #10."

I too have been seeing this, approximately 5 or so days now but only on the more heavily searched terms.

Also seeing more and more pages being released from supplemental land.

shogun_ro

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 3:18 am on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Sorry, but I don't see any change...(yet).

jakegotmail

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 3:26 am on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

I saw the exact same thing today. Wouldnt be surprised if thats whats going on.

plasma

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 10:26 am on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

I've been at #1 and #2 for the last days for one of my keywords, today back to #3 and #4 :(
Other keywords that did it to the very top last week still are there. Hopefully the update is already over, I liked my new rankings :)

piatkow

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 11:10 am on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Saw minor improvements just after Christmas and getting the same results on key searches today although that is still marginally worse that at the end of October.

None of the changes have been drastic, just one or two positions up or down across 8 key search phrases.

purple

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 11:46 am on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

My site has totally gone off the serps 3/4 Jan, similar happened on 22/12/06 returned on about 26/12/06.
have the problem i had on 22/12/06 in a site: search supplementals first then home pages and non supplemental after.

I am working through all supp pages to see how they can be tweaked. Does having the same title and meta desc trip penalties?

kidder

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 11:56 am on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Are we going to have a new "refresh" thread every week? Seriously?

purple

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 12:10 pm on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

seems this way a kinda everfresh

plasma

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 12:57 pm on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

seems this way a kinda everfresh

I like that concept :)
Although this time I lost marginally, it looks like since they update more often (beginning of Dec.) I'm steadily climbing up the G-ladder.

Jordo needs a drink

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 3:14 pm on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

In addition, we have also observed a reduction in the number of double listing "authority rankings" for various sites over the past 2 weeks or so.

I wish the reduction was greater though. 2 main keywords that I monitor still has 1 authority(not spam) site in the top 2 spots.

Oh, and the #1 listing for this site has those indented links to other parts of it's site(can't remember the name for that) and one of those links is the same link this site has for the #2 google result.

[edited by: Jordo_needs_a_drink at 3:22 pm (utc) on Jan. 5, 2007]

twebdonny



 
Msg#: 3208849 posted 3:24 pm on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

I'll agree with the "everfresh" theory.

tedster

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 7:15 pm on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Maybe we should call it ever-refresh, eh?

I agree that it will not be fruitful to discuss each week's changes in a separate thread - especially if there seems to be nothing new observed, but just "yes there were more changes". So I've renamed this thread to cover the whole month of January, and we'll lock up December when the specifics in there seem to be running down.

If anything really new comes up, I can break it out of this thread into a separate discussion.

tedster

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 7:23 pm on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

In the December thread we were discussing what appears to be a new syndrome, and I hoped we could zero in on a precise list of symptoms. I'd really like to know if anyone seeing new ranking problems in January has any or all of the signs that showed up in last moth's thread for others:

1. Sites affected used to rank well for many keywords, and often for a long period.
2. Now those rankings have not just dropped a little bit, but effectively were sent to oblivion
3. The rest of the SERP where the site was removed usually shows only minor changes
4. The site: operator returns a bunch of Supplemental urls first, not the Home Page.
5. For those with a GWT account, there is no message that clarifies what happened
6. Toolbar Page Rank is still reported at the same level, and GWT Page Rank seems unchanged as well

MHes

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 8:01 pm on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

1. Sites affected used to rank well for many keywords, and often for a long period.

Yes, 4 years steady rankings.

2. Now those rankings have not just dropped a little bit, but effectively were sent to oblivion

More complicated....Observations with my site: When the supplementals show top in site:search, then the ranking of the pages is dependent on the anchor text of out bound links. If the search term is a near match to the anchor text used and the page linked to is also in the serps, then the linking page is ignored and drops to 950+. The site/page linked to gets a small ranking boost. This may be peculiar to our site as we have many links out to only a few other sites. However, as changes are being cached (removed or changed anchor text), our rankings are returning despite our supplemental problem.

3. The rest of the SERP where the site was removed usually shows only minor changes

Yes, the anchor text needs to fit the pattern above... making it a very selective process.

4. The site: operator returns a bunch of Supplemental urls first, not the Home Page.

Yes. I think there may be two things going on here. When the supplementals show top, the above 'anchor text' algo kicks in. However, some members report loss of traffic without the supplemental issue. The two issues are linked, but the supplemental may be an additional effect when the switch is turned on. I suspect it could be connected with site structure and folders without index pages. The spider seems to strip urls in order to find index pages that don't exist. If they don't find them or get a 404, maybe the whole folder contents with regards theme and pr flow is effected someway.... just a guess.

JoeSinkwitz

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 8:11 pm on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

I know tedster and I probably disagree with the usage of allinanchor (I still see it as somewhat valuable), but I have noticed that when I do an allinanchor: search for a phrase in question on one of these select SERP drop sites, I usually see a blogspot or two ahead of it (with scraped content), almost as though the reason the site drops is due to duplicated content or at least a partially successful hijacking.

Anyone else seeing this?

Cygnus

[edited by: JoeSinkwitz at 8:11 pm (utc) on Jan. 5, 2007]

randle

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 9:40 pm on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

If I run a site command, site:www.widget.com the sites that have been zapped show supplemental pages at the top of the results. Even if the site just has one supplemental page.

If I search just, www.widget.com in Google, these affected sites do not come up in the results. What does is every other site that is either linking to the site, or has the site mentioned somewhere. Clearly some sort of major demotion/penalty/filter.

Anyone else experiencing this with an effected site?

shogun_ro

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 10:07 pm on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

If I run a site command, site:www.widget.com the sites that have been zapped show supplemental pages at the top of the results. Even if the site just has one supplemental page.
If I search just, www.widget.com in Google, these affected sites do not come up in the results. What does is every other site that is either linking to the site, or has the site mentioned somewhere. Clearly some sort of major demotion/penalty/filter.

Yes, but for www.widget.com search it come up on 11 spot.For widget.com search is ok.

atlrus

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 10:50 pm on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Our website is actually seeng an increase of double rankings...

kidder

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 10:50 pm on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

When you consider the scale that Google now operates on 1 small change may send ripples around the index for quite some time. As ranking factors change sites rise and fall we may be seeing lots of mini "domino" effects so to speak.

reseller

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 11:18 pm on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hi Folks

I have a very funny way of measuring those ongoing "changes".

A page I watch related to online marketing (including affiliate programs) and a specific search phrase. Sometimes those changes send the said page to 433+. Sometimes it return by a miracle to 23, 38 and today I see it placed as no. 43 and 46 on most of the DCs. As you might imagine, the next time a "change" happen I expect it to return to 433+ . Very exciting indeed!

And thats how GOOG keeping me young :-)

Sineater

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 12:02 am on Jan 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

In continuing data tracking for my own site, I see what looks like a refresh or a re-index. Site: for our site today reveals a rollback to our total numbers for Jan 1st in over 50 DC that we monitor. This usually seems to happen on Fridays and balances out by Monday.

fraudcop

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 12:08 am on Jan 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

I suspect it could be connected with site structure and folders without index pages. The spider seems to strip urls in order to find index pages that don't exist. If they don't find them or get a 404, maybe the whole folder contents with regards theme and pr flow is effected someway....

Beside the reduction from 35.000 to 6.500 pages in the last few days, Now I have listed as supplenmental - before the site home page - 40 never seen before urls of directories missing the index page

like this:

[site.com...]

can i live them as supplemental or is better to redirect them to the existing main page?

[site.com...]

I rank very well with the home page -only a couple of 2/3 word searches though-
But never existed with the other pages since I changed site name 18 months ago.

sandpetra

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 12:29 am on Jan 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

TEDSTER

"The observation about fewer double entries rings a bell with me -- even going back a few weeks. In fact I begin to wonder if there is some extra barrier in place to go from #11 to #10."

Just jumped from 11 to 8 with not much bother on a competitive keyword term, so I dont think so...

Managed it with a "simple but observed" (!) tweak to the meta description, which Google now shows in the snippet.

(Edited to include a bit more info)

jamesthorn

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 12:32 am on Jan 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

Overnight my main very high ranking sight just dissapeared from Google
..it's .com with UK in the Domain name but hosted in USA.

It's a real crisis as we have a lot of traffic and paying clients. it's gonna be back to the old $1000 a month adwords, which is never as good as the free Organic listings....only 15% seems to come from sponsored links when I use them...

mimmo

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 12:34 am on Jan 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

We are seeing different results depending on which IPs we use to search (we test with 2 different countries) but also from the same country the results fluctuate continuously between two / three different versions.

This fluctuation stopped for a few days... but now it seems that it started again.

Unclear.

tedster

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 12:34 am on Jan 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

sandpetra, I did not post my complete thought there, sorry. I was commenting in the context of seeing fewer clustered, indented results. So I'm really wondering if there is some extra barrier in place to go from #11 to #10 -- if the domain already has another result on the first page.

In a case like that, the new #10 is instantly promoted to as high as #2. It's nice when you get it.

steve8383

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 12:51 am on Jan 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

Looks like I've been zapped too.

I've spent an hour or two reading all these threads and am probably more confused than before I started.

I run a PR6 travel location themed site. I've been in the top ten of Google for the one word destination name for the last 3 years, a term which delivers 23.5 million results. Highest I've been was #4 and up until recently I was #9. I also hold the #1 spot for the two word phrase "mydestination vacation" and its plural.

As of a few days ago I plummeted to around #60 for my single search term but continue to hold #1 spot for my two word term.

A site: query delivers 59,000 results but all are supplemental bar one - which is a random thread from my message board. Many of my pages don't even show a Google cache.

At the busiest time of year for my business, and one that puts the food on the table and pays the bills, I'm seeing a traffic drop off of around 50-60%. I am really quite worried if we'll get through this.

Do you guys have any advice for me? As I mentioned I've read through pages of this and preceding threads and really don't know where to start to attempt to rectify this.

phish

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Msg#: 3208849 posted 12:51 am on Jan 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

tedster...yes to all the above

1. ranked first page for all major keywords for 4 years...
2. most content either gone or above 50+ pages deep
3. yes
4. 2 pages of supplemetals, before homepage
5. yes
6. still showing fluctuating pr depending on dc...

-phish

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