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January 2007 Google SERP Changes
helpnow




msg:3208851
 2:31 am on Jan 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

< Some of this discussion continues from the December thread: [webmasterworld.com...] >

We have noticed some moderate ranking changes in the past 24 hours, which have reverted to previous ranking positions dating back to the middle of December.

Our rankings are secure, so I am not writing this as a complaint, but as the sharing of an obersvation: there is a new shift occuring right now.

In addition, we have also observed a reduction in the number of double listing "authority rankings" for various sites over the past 2 weeks or so. Many of these previous double rankings were indeed redundant, so this removal of some double listings is a perceived good thing in our opinion, at least in the sectors we watch.

Is anyone else having these same sorts of observatiosn these past 24 hours?

[edited by: tedster at 7:25 pm (utc) on Jan. 5, 2007]

 

planetnut




msg:3211588
 11:05 pm on Jan 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

Our site went completely supplemental on Feb 2006, has anyone recovered from this time? I see people recovering but looks to be sites that were hit recently.

seohome




msg:3211600
 11:24 pm on Jan 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

planetnut, my sites were hit recently (around december 31), but all of them are still supplemental. I being refreshing my firefox every 10 seconds for the last 48 hours, and I hope to be out of the sp box as the latest reported sites. We have to give it more time I guess... there is nothing we can actually do :(

shogun_ro




msg:3211608
 11:38 pm on Jan 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

I contacted my hosting company and in the next 5 day's they move my site on another server from my country.It's on a server in US now.
Hope that helps in recovering.

jamesthorn




msg:3211616
 11:47 pm on Jan 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

When I use Google nz or Google au or other English wersions of Google everything is as usual for my site but its disappeared from serps in Google UK web and UK search only..

seohome




msg:3211648
 12:09 am on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

shogun_ro, I am doing that too. I am moving some websites to another hosting company, to separete things, but I honestly donīt believe than that will change the situation, at least this one since we are already inside the supplemental zone. For the future, I do think that it is a good move, but Google also keeps records of the websites movements so donīt forget that.

shogun_ro




msg:3211662
 12:19 am on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

For the future, I do think that it is a good move, but Google also keeps records of the websites movements so donīt forget that.

Allmost 80% of trafic for that site is from my country.
This is the only one remaining in supp's and the more important for me as of traffic (about 100k/month and now 6 times less)
The rest are all recovered and are hosted in my country too.

Lala50




msg:3211672
 12:30 am on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

My site went out of Google index on Sept 30. Today it's returned to pre Sept 30 status.

Pirates




msg:3211688
 12:58 am on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

For all those that remember florida I think google is boosting keyword as close too root or in domain at present (florida boosted a non commercial listing such as a university but this is a plc now I suppose) its difficult to believe these results will last long term but it is an indication if you have dropped to look internally at your site. Look for duplicate content , maybe a page served up two ways, look at duplicate meta descriptions as well.

I think google have foccussed far too much on there new toy and the actuall good it can do is confused by a gateway or page containing only ads boosted to top sends out all the wrong signals to webmasters. The issue of low ranked keyword rich domains networked together I feel should have dealt with before boosting keyword close to root. At least florida in boosting universities offered a non commercial benefit. At present google are boosting doorway pages and some of the biggest spammers on the net for what? Yes to ban duplicate content on shopping sites, great, but also suffering are legit sites with silly mistakes.

The aims are admirable in detecting duplicate content but what do you do when educating a customer to comply with rules points out number one result is a gateway page with loads of keyword rich domains with naff content owned by the same person pointing to them. Its sends out all the wrong messages and just implies you should replace one form of spam with another.

Good idea, badly implemented..........

Bewenched




msg:3212077
 2:00 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

Just when our site was beginning to recover from last spring over half went supplimental this morning. We've made no changes in over 4 months to any of the programming.

eleven80




msg:3212093
 2:18 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

One of our sites holding an extremely competitive #1 spot disappeared altogether this morning and just re-appeared at #6 :(

-- I've noticed the results are in the exact order as when you search for the keyword with 'allinanchor'. They never used to be in the same order... Have Google decided to focus more on inbound link anchor text again?

MHes




msg:3212153
 3:32 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

I think there may be confusion over the way sites have been effected and which ones are likely to have recovered in the last 24 hours....

1) The main topic of this thread is about sites that when you do a site:search have supplemental listings appearing above their non supplemental pages. This apparently has occured for the last 18 months but during November and December a lot of sites were treated this way and their rankings were effected causing a 80%+ loss in traffic. Some of these sites have been recovering.

2) Supplemental listed pages. A different problem and although some may have got pages out of this condition in the last day or so, I think that will be for changes they made to their site, new links pointing to the pages or just plain luck rather than Google changing its rules.

Two different issue and perhaps we should keep on theme to the pages that appeared in 1) rather than 'supplemental pages'.

reseller




msg:3212235
 5:07 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

The Effect of latest "changes" on Quality of Google's Serps!
Boost or decline in current quality of the serps.

Hi Folks

IMO, what has been taking place for the last few months is a serious genuine attempts from Google's side to clean up its main index of what it considers "less worthy" contents, mainly duplicate contents. During the "cleaning" process, duplicates and other "less worthy" contents might have been converted to supplementals and accordingly remove them from the main index to the supplemental index.

At this advanced point of those series of the so called "data pushes" or the so called "changes", its on time to start discussing the effects of those "changes" on the quality of the emerging Google's serps. After all its the quality of those serps which is going to be the most important factor for evaluating Google as a major search engine.

Do you see now a better quality of Google serps after months of "data refreshes", "data pushes" and "changes"? I.e

- relevant results
- less spam sites

Thanks!

seohome




msg:3212352
 6:24 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

MHes/reseller... I think that what most of us is waiting for, is for the 72.14.203.99 to propagate over the rest datacenters/blocks. There are a lot of sites that are being shown out of the supplementals at 72.14.203.99, and the reported sites that other users posted about on this topic were having that reference.

steve8383




msg:3212400
 7:21 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

Martin 40 said "Do you use Adsense on your site (that is penalized)?"

Yes, I have adsense. I dont use it on every page though, maybe about half of them.

shogun_ro




msg:3212474
 8:27 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

During the "cleaning" process, duplicates and other "less worthy" contents might have been converted to supplementals and accordingly remove them from the main index to the supplemental index.

Ok, but why supplementals are listed above index pages for site: search?
Becouse of this all good content pages ranks +100 and more in SERP.
And what about domains with more subdomains?
For a less worthy content in a subdomain ,the whole domain is penalized.

seohome




msg:3212487
 8:38 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

All my sites are shown out of the supplemental (site:domain), but when I do a search the pages are shown as supplemental... The Google refresh is on!

shogun_ro




msg:3212509
 8:53 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

Yes, it looks like the problem of supp's above index is fixed now on all DC's.

johnhh




msg:3212525
 9:06 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

We see the same.

just gone "clean" site:domain command shows no supplemental listings first..site index page first

seohome




msg:3212529
 9:08 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

yes... but the pages are still on the supplemental when you do a regular search... take a look at that. Letīs hope to keep going fordward on this refresh.

randle




msg:3212535
 9:15 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

Yes, the issue of supplementals showing above non-supplementals when running the site: command does seem to be fixed. However, it hasn't helped the issue of suddenly getting demoted 600 + places overnite.

Anyone come back, that had this experience?

johnhh




msg:3212550
 9:26 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

Just had a look - pages I tested all come up OK - not as a supplemental, not particular great positions though - but then we never lost 100% of the pages either when the supplementals were shown first.

We have some supplemental starting at around number 900 on a site:domain command however these pages appear there correctly as they are dead in one way or another ( deleted pages, https:// pages etc )

Guess the re-jig is still going on, its great to see progress/positive changes

[edited for speling must go to skool ]

frakilk




msg:3212558
 9:35 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

Anyone come back, that had this experience?

Randle my sites came back fully yesterday and had suffered from all of the December symptoms. Fingers crossed that your sites come back too.

zaneta




msg:3212570
 9:55 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

My sites first page is not anymore cashed although it was until 5 hours ago
Site had very good first positions and has lost all of them
Also I can not find it by www.mydomain.com
Any ideas?
any help?

ron252




msg:3212624
 10:44 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

My site is also not showing supplemental first but ranking has not been returned to original position what I was having before 26th of December.

bwnbwn




msg:3212626
 10:45 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

I too had been supplemental not the site but the first 10 pages after that the site was not supp now coming up ok with index page first and no supp showing.

Ranking have been slipping but I take this as my fault been so busy with another project haven't really worked the site in about 4 months.

beginning to change that today.

zaneta




msg:3212635
 10:54 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

how can i check that my site is in supplemental

shogun_ro




msg:3212643
 11:07 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

On google.com for cr=countryUS and hl=en rank recovered for my site as before 17.12.2006

[edited by: shogun_ro at 11:10 pm (utc) on Jan. 8, 2007]

MHes




msg:3212647
 11:07 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

zaneta - Do a search in google putting site:www.yourdomain.com

Then look through the listings and see if any of your pages have supplemental marked next to them below the description.

zaneta




msg:3212653
 11:15 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

Thank you MHes
I checked it and I do not have any pages with Supplemental Result
What is happening?
i lost all the positions
first page is not showing cashed ....!

chelseaareback




msg:3212657
 11:18 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

we too out of supp though traffic remains 80% down

reseller - ignoring my own disappointment I can honestly say that a lot of the results in my sector are rubbish.

and I mean very poor indeed.

I have very specific uk searches returning 7/10 usa results. this is on .co.uk and .com G

I do note however that the results are shifting alomst hourly

as I ay above synopsis is NOT based on me thinking I should be at number one. am trying to be as objective as possible

to be subjective I also note that pages of mine that have not been in existence ofr months are actually listed - and not supplemental ones either

what do you see?

seohome




msg:3212689
 11:48 pm on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

zaneta and chelseaareback... give it some time. Yes, the sites are out of the supplemental at first sight, but they are still affected. The rankings are low because most of the pages are not yet indexed as they were before. Google is moving and refreshing all the data from what I can see, but it isnīt a one click operation.

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