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Dec 2006 Google Changes - Data Refresh or Penalty?
Wibfision




msg:3195254
 11:52 pm on Dec 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

My site has taken a big hit this evening, losing the majority of google traffic. Artefacts are: when doing search on site:www.domain.com, the first few pages of listings are supplemental, followed by the homepage and other listings which are not supplemental. The none supplemental listings start on results page 61-70. The homepage is at the top of this page.

Is this a penalty or a bug? Have any other sites been similarly affected?

 

purple




msg:3195277
 12:23 am on Dec 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have a similar problem my first 951 results are supplemental, then my index page comes up and the rest of the non supplemental when i do a site: search

hope it is a data refresh and my index pages goes back to normal

leo11877




msg:3195292
 12:38 am on Dec 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

same with me. I already got hit with traffic on Nov 15. So this doesnt hurt anymore :) or :(

fibalogger




msg:3195295
 12:45 am on Dec 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Look for the other Threads 7/15th of Dec.

[edited by: tedster at 5:07 am (utc) on Dec. 21, 2006]
[edit reason] fix typo [/edit]

trinorthlighting




msg:3195299
 12:47 am on Dec 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

What types of sites do you all run?

Blogs, Directories, Ecommerce, etc...

We saw some good movement in the ecommerce sector today

shogun_ro




msg:3195362
 2:10 am on Dec 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Same for my site, but it start since 17.12 .Supplementals are listed above home page for site: search.

mattg3




msg:3195370
 2:29 am on Dec 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Blogs, Directories, Ecommerce, etc...

Selfmade videos, directory, companies, pictures, wiki, job listings, event calendar and so on got hit today. No ecommerce in sight.

But I guess it is maybe some attempt to reduce ecommerce links now as the online shopping season is over. Google has decided anyone not having their pressies for their partners has to hit the high street now .. alternatively pick up some window wipes at the local garage on the 24th. It's the thought that counts.

zegiv




msg:3195629
 9:52 am on Dec 21, 2006 (gmt 0)


same with me. I already got hit with traffic on Nov 15. So this doesnt hurt anymore :) or :(

Same here :)

Inspired




msg:3195635
 10:18 am on Dec 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Lots of people were hit with this on 3, 7, 17 December, now these new results are on all DCs.

BillyS




msg:3195841
 2:27 pm on Dec 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Looks like some kind of data refresh to me. I'm seeing lots of movement in what's normally a quiet sector.

Bewenched




msg:3196351
 7:39 pm on Dec 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Why on earth would google do a data refresh right in the freaking middle of the holiday shopping season. Our sales this month are down 20%....

viphost




msg:3196639
 12:09 am on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

I run an e-commerce site and I've been fighting with sup results for a while. 12000 pages index and only 390 are non-supplemental. As I've monitored this across datacenters for sometime now I can attest they Google did do some kind of a rollback as my old backlinks and old PR #'s are showing up on 75% of the datacenters I check. Along with this I have more pages in the supplemental index. It certainly was an abrupt change. (not to mention traffic was way down)

My guess is that the refresh they did a little bit ago had some sort of neggative impact and they needed to rollback, or they are doing some split tests with various datacenters seeing which yields the best earnings per visitor. Who knows!

steveb




msg:3196655
 12:25 am on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

This is what they do, maybe now as much as three times a month.

They don't do a very good job at what they do.

The fact they stink at it isn't as interesting as that they seem in denial that they stink so badly. Google needs a bath.

plasma




msg:3196662
 12:28 am on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Why on earth would google do a data refresh right in the freaking middle of the holiday shopping season. Our sales this month are down 20%....

They want to sell AdWords.

RichTC




msg:3196677
 1:02 am on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Obvious penalty

This was hitting sites from the third week of November from what ive seen.

If you take the keywords you previously ranked for you will find your site almost at the end of the results. What the OP picked up on in relation to site listing after supplementals is what ive been seeing.

Sites containing a link to your site will rank above you for those words.

maybe it is a push by google to try and increase adword revenues, i dont know but some sites havent been hit with this and a percentage of others have so trying to find out what triggers your site being hit is the key to this.

europeforvisitors




msg:3196730
 1:40 am on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Why on earth would google do a data refresh right in the freaking middle of the holiday shopping season. Our sales this month are down 20%....

In the days of the "Google dance," updates often occurred around holidays (Christmas, Easter, you name it). It stands to reason that Google would save major refreshes for times when Web traffic is down and fewer people are using Web searches for work or study. (Let's not lose sight of Google's stated corporate mission, which is about supplying information to users, not helping us to make money.)

RichTC




msg:3196751
 1:55 am on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

(Let's not lose sight of Google's stated corporate mission, which is about supplying information to users, not helping us to make money.)

Sorry but its a public listed company. Its primary objective has to be to return greater return on shareholder value with each set of financial results. From a financial aspect it has delivered increased earnings quarter on quarter.

The supplying of information is now almost a by-product of the fact that its one of the largest established advertising companies in the world.

Whilst i would agree that google is not here to help webmasters make money, it is here to make money for itself / its shareholders.

kidder




msg:3196753
 1:58 am on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've got to say that I have been going between Google and Yahoo in my sector, looking at the various searches. Yahoo has it so right and Google has it so - all over the place!

Maybe it's time for G to start delivering Yahoo results until they get their stuff together.

europeforvisitors




msg:3196799
 3:11 am on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sorry but its a public listed company. Its primary objective has to be to return greater return on shareholder value with each set of financial results.

You could say the same thing about any business, publicly listed or otherwise. That doesn't keep drug companies from finding cures, THE NEW YORKER from publishing literature, or Google from "organizing the world's information and making it universally accessible." Indeed, such companies achieve their financial goals by fulfilling their missions--preferably with as little disruption as possible (hence the desirability of scheduling search-engine refreshes and updates during periods of relatively low usage).

Atomic




msg:3196800
 3:12 am on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

EFV is right. This is the perfect time to begin introducing changes. Certainly fewer today than say, by Sunday-Monday which are about the slowest traffic days of the year. Shopping is all but done and if someone has shopping still to do they are probably not doing research on the web.

jjaall99




msg:3196917
 6:35 am on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

yeah me feeling the same for all my site....now can you predict for PR update....?

hope it ll be within a month or so....

Notocing thing is when I try to see regular main index search via "site" commnad I saw the exact index before of 4 weeks..(many supplimental pages)

So again G is fixing supplimental index settlements...many 301 redirects ll be corrected...;) now...

steveb




msg:3196926
 7:15 am on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Seems like some of yesterday's errors/false penalties have been reversed on gfe-eh.google.com... but who knows if that is older data or newer.

Inspired




msg:3196948
 7:51 am on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes, gfe-eh.google.com looks good to me...

shogun_ro




msg:3197008
 10:20 am on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes gfe-eh.google.com rank homepage first.It's ok, but not for all sites afected.
Xmas gift.:)

Wibfision




msg:3197064
 11:49 am on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

That data center is no better for my site.

BillyS




msg:3197090
 12:13 pm on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

According to a site that is known to take the pulse of rank in Google, there was a pretty big shift recently.

doughayman




msg:3197091
 12:14 pm on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

That DC show the exact same results as all of the other DC's for me.

I started to lose ranking in the beginning of December, and I was obliterated on December 20th, and see no changes since then, on any DC's.

I am receiving no Google traffic since 12/20 (20/12). Well established domain (over 10 years old), which ranked highly in the SERPS for many keywords.

What I did do (and I regret now - I think) is that I just refreshed over 100 pages to include a copyright disclaimer, and modified my SITEMAP with the <LASTMOD> date for each, accordingly. Could this have mysteriously triggered Google's response? If so, maybe I should think about removing my Sitemap :)?

I don't get it........

reseller




msg:3197097
 12:19 pm on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)


IMO, one could say about gfe-eh.google.com ; Yesterday’s Paper Telling Yesterday’s News :-)

frakilk




msg:3197100
 12:23 pm on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

I predict gfe-eh.google.com will hang on for a few days and then succumb. This is exactly what happened with the month's earlier shifts.

I am receiving no Google traffic since 12/20 (20/12). Well established domain (over 10 years old), which ranked highly in the SERPS for many keywords.

Virtually zero traffic here too. I'm not as worried as I once was though, I believe it will all come back in the New Year. Too many innocents destroyed out there for this to be a permanent change.

doughayman




msg:3197105
 12:26 pm on Dec 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

fraklik,

I hope that you are right, but stranger things have happened. Unless you fully understand what Google's intent was here, there is no telling why they did what they did.

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