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Dec 2006 Google Changes - Data Refresh or Penalty?
Wibfision




msg:3195254
 11:52 pm on Dec 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

My site has taken a big hit this evening, losing the majority of google traffic. Artefacts are: when doing search on site:www.domain.com, the first few pages of listings are supplemental, followed by the homepage and other listings which are not supplemental. The none supplemental listings start on results page 61-70. The homepage is at the top of this page.

Is this a penalty or a bug? Have any other sites been similarly affected?

 

optimist




msg:3199019
 7:55 pm on Dec 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Anyone else notice pages missing from Google Sitemaps (pages not indexed) and verification not working.

It seems like sitemaps is having a major overload.

Atomic




msg:3199020
 7:59 pm on Dec 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Right now, it being so close to Christmas, I would kinda expect traffic to be down. Even as much as 50% or more. Wouldn't it make more sense to assess traffic after a major holiday? Or are you comparing this late December to late December 2005?

MHes




msg:3199026
 8:12 pm on Dec 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Atomic - Comparing to other sites in the same niche that we own ;)

reseller




msg:3199029
 8:28 pm on Dec 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

WW_Watcher

Reseller: In response to your question,

"
What kind of Data Refresh that has such effect:

- changes in rankings of sites/pages
- changes in number of backlinks
- changes in number of indexed pages
"

Everflux

No everflux can do such a thing.

IMO, that looks more like a major Algo update!

Lets recall any of the previous updates like Bourbon or Jagger, and we shall se what is taking place now is the same as those updates.

The difference is that the "old" updates took longer period to be completed than todays updates, the so called "Data Refresh". The new infrastructure BigDaddy allows for those speedy algo updates, IMO.

mattg3




msg:3199044
 8:44 pm on Dec 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Or are you comparing this late December to late December 2005?

Yes .. nowhere near as dramatic changes on one of the servers. The other one we will see after the holidays.

"Happy" Googlemas :¦

Atomic




msg:3199052
 8:52 pm on Dec 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Atomic - Comparing to other sites in the same niche that we own ;)

You know what your competitor's traffic is? Nice, wish I knew how to get that data.

mattg3




msg:3199053
 8:54 pm on Dec 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

No everflux can do such a thing.

I would say that if a system, with x variables released on billions of pages of data, increases its frequencey it becomes more unstable. It's common sense and no rocket science.

Question is only if G accepts this chaos as a trade off or not.

Everflux means ever flux and it's definitly fluxing A LOT.

[edited by: mattg3 at 8:59 pm (utc) on Dec. 24, 2006]

Martin40




msg:3199054
 8:57 pm on Dec 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

OptiRex said:

Oh...so a PR0 site a couple of years old now stuffs my 11 yr old PR7 authority site into oblivion?

No, it's the other way around. 11 years old sites are stuffing the newer sites, which is not unique to the recent events, but one of Google's ways to reduce spam. My 1995 site is unaffected, but my 2004 site does much better on Adsense. I wonder if that's the reason it's been deranked.

It's not ageism nor experience in my sector, it's the random culling of absolutely anything,

Well, I was hit by 6/27 and I have been hit again in November and in my search category I'm the only one to have been hit by these "random" events. Doesn't seem random to me.

MHES said:

I am beginning to think that the new data has lost information for some pages/sites

Then why does Google lose data of certain sites and not of other sites? Following 6/27 it already became clear to me that certain sites are hit by this periodically and my site seems to be such a site.

reseller said:

No everflux can do such a thing.

IMO, that looks more like a major Algo update!

My understanding of everflux is that a major algo update is applied not to all sites at once, but to smaller numbers of sites every day. So only after 2 months (or something) all sites will feel the effect of the major update.

[edited by: Martin40 at 9:25 pm (utc) on Dec. 24, 2006]

reseller




msg:3199072
 9:24 pm on Dec 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

mattg3

Question is only if G accepts this chaos as a trade off or not.

We shouldn't always follow the easy way to explain what has been taking place for sometime now (particulary since deployment of BigDaddy):

- unstable serps (don't know whether I can use the term; unreproducible serps more than few hours or few days a time). That can't be a user friendly situation.

- operators, most important site: , aren't funsctioning as they should be.

- the same sites/pages loosing and regaining rankings all the time.

- sites/pages being indexed and deindexed.

Have I forgot anything else to mention :-)

[edited by: reseller at 9:27 pm (utc) on Dec. 24, 2006]

Atomic




msg:3199075
 9:26 pm on Dec 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

operators, most important site: , aren't funsctioning as they should be.

Are you 100% certain that the way they are operating isn't by design? It could be that they aren't functioning the way you would like them to.

OptiRex




msg:3199093
 9:50 pm on Dec 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Wouldn't it make more sense to assess traffic after a major holiday?

This isn't a traffic discussion, it's a G SERPs analysis attempt since the 20th December foul-up.

Whether one uses AdSense or not is not the issue here, it's an analysis I can make using known acceptable data.

The first I realised something MAJOR had occurred was when I saw my AdSense earnings. I have what I call two core sites and 100+ satellite sites.

The two core sites for all 2006 have earned 76% of total earnings which is split 63/37 between them. The earnings for the 20th were 79/21 and checking my logs I found that half way through that 24 hr Google period core site 2's referrals etc had suddenly stopped.

Checking many keywords etc I found that many core site 2 pages had simply been "lost", no where to be found whereas other keywords, and obviously pages, were still ranking at #1.

Since then I have seen the following occur to the earnings:

Core site 1 v core site 2:

19th: 60/40
20th: 79/21
21st: 91/8
22nd: 85/15
23rd: 87/13
24th: 93/7 so far

Bear in mind I was an very early AdSense user, I have huge amounts of data, thanks to Google, therefore whenever anything happens well out of the ordinary, I smell it before I even see it:-))

This is raw Google AdSense data and goes back three years, hopefully someone at the plex may read this and start asking serious questions, unless, of course, this is the way they intend "their" future of Internet results to look?

I must say, MSN results are looking great at the moment and someone did ask the other day was anyone suddenly seeing other SERPs referrers...well, I can today say that MSN has suddenly shot up.

WW_Watcher




msg:3199105
 10:19 pm on Dec 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

OptiRex
Could you please clarify yourself, in your description of your adsense losses, you just described a network of 102 possibly MFA sites. For what valid reason do you have for having 2 main sites and a network of 100 more.

I have a grand total of, ,,,,,, 1 site ,,,,, with no adsense, or any other advertising, with the exception of a VERY few, on topic link exchanges, created for the purpose of trading traffic.

Happy Holidays
WW_Watcher

Atomic




msg:3199108
 10:26 pm on Dec 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

>Traffic is down close to 50%.<

About the same for me.


I was responding to statements like this. If this isn't about traffic why is it mentioned? Seems fair enough for me to respond to things like this. Sorry if it doesn't mesh what you decided the discussion is about.

whitenight




msg:3199114
 10:38 pm on Dec 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

lol, again, don't know why some here are arguing over changes or what type of change it was.

Rankpulse, which monitors 1000 "popular" keywords, indicates heavier than usual movement among keyword positions.

(And who cares which "label" the change/"tweak"/algo update is given?!)

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That said, I have noticed that alot of the scrapper/redirect nonsense has gone. BUT it has been replaced by high-PR nonsense pages.

It's almost as if the G algo purposely reserves 2-4 spots in the Top 10 to pull from a completely different scoring algorithm set than the rest of the top 10.

Has anyone else noticed this?

OptiRex




msg:3199125
 11:15 pm on Dec 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

you just described a network of 102 possibly MFA sites. For what valid reason do you have for having 2 main sites and a network of 100 more.

Hehehe...you obviously, and most definitely, do not know me or have read many of the thousands of posts I have made.

Quite simply:

Core site 1 is the main trade directory site for my industry worldwide - totally trade information sources focussed

Core site 2 is my worldwide site for general information and general sales enquiries - my primary sources focussed

Satellite sites are country specific or product specific or item specific, secondary and tertiary information focussed. This includes many non .com extensions translated professionally into many different languages and hosted on servers within those countries.

No MFAs, all genuine, all relevant, authoratative information and very little duplication except for the occasional overlap for an infrequently specified product.

.mobi's are being implemented over the next few months for...well that reason's obvious surely?

Not exactly your generally accepted computer generated MFAs or scrapers!

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[edited by: tedster at 3:25 pm (utc) on Dec. 25, 2006]

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