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Dec 7 - sudden drop in rankings (part 2)
Trilitech




msg:3188157
 12:39 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I was hit hard by the Dec 7th change and I know several others too. I'd like to get some feedback from those affected hopefully track down what our sites have in common so we can hopefully do something about it. Here's what I believe to be the relevant stats about my site. Please post some stats about yours and whether or not you were affected (positive or negative) by this change.

Type of Site: credit cards
Age: 2.5 years
Inbound Links:
- 50% from syndicating articles
- 20% bought
- 10% from link directories
- 20% "natural"
Outbound Links: Only one, but ROS exchange with an Australian credit card site
Has outbound affiliate links: Yes
Does url re-writing: Yes
Sub-Domains: One for a forum
Rank before: 1-5 for primary keywords
Rank after: 18 - not found for primary keywords

[edited by: tedster at 3:34 am (utc) on Dec. 14, 2006]

 

aliszka




msg:3188224
 2:53 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

G is laughing all the way to the bank, I wouldn't trust any puppets coming on here from G either, It's all about money and these folks at G don't give a rats AS_ about any of us, these people have developed a sick attitude, money can do that, they will get there day, I look for a crushing blow to come there way. all IMO.

fibalogger




msg:3188229
 3:00 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

@ Inspired - Now the old positions are back on some 72 DC's.

fibalogger




msg:3188235
 3:09 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

@ Pirates - I think, it is impossible that so many different domains at so many different places are hijacked at the same time and date. Except from the once common, the date - there must be a further similarity...

And now, have good night guys.
Thanks for all...

See ya tomorrow again...

Trilitech




msg:3188274
 4:02 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Got some more stats I think may be relevant.

Uses Adsense: Yes
Uses Analytics: Yes
Number of other sites: 8
Number of other domains: 35
Domains 301 to this address: 2
Total pages: 495
New pages this month: 65
Significantly modified pages this month: 30

Please post your stats. This shouldn't be that hard to figure out if we just have a good test sample to work with.

Inspired




msg:3188324
 5:26 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

@fibalogger

Yes, the old ones seem to be back on a few DCs, so there is still some daily movements and a little bit of hope for some of us.

Inspired




msg:3188326
 5:32 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

@Trilitech

I have a few sites affected by this, and the stats for each of them look completely different to those of yours... will post some soon.

BroadProspect




msg:3188349
 6:30 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

if one goes down, another one goes up, have you checked the new URLs that are in the SERPs, what is unique about them?
in my case i found that they are coming from pages hosted on "trusted domains" which do not deserve it since these are free hosting and forums, and also with very very low ,OR very very high KW density
/BP

Pamela2




msg:3188399
 8:30 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm definitely with twiglet on this one. A link to our site was added to the sidebar on a couple of blog type sites a month or so ago. And that is it: no other changes internal or external for us.

Personally I find it to be dispicable. Fine, if they don't a link then just ignore it. But to blow a site away for it? That stinks. It's plain spiteful.

I can't see any way back from it now. I think we are goosed.

Inspired




msg:3188402
 8:45 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

@Pamela2

Have you checked all DCs? I'm seeing the 'old' results on 16 DCs right now, the largest amount since this mess started. Most of our ranks are restored on those.

Pamela2




msg:3188467
 10:56 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Have you checked all DCs? I'm seeing the 'old' results on 16 DCs right now, the largest amount since this mess started. Most of our ranks are restored on those.

Heck: yes, Inspired. We are back on 13 of them. I'm not convinced though, as it has been fluctuating for days. Fingers crossed!

Inspired




msg:3188506
 11:23 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes it has been fluctuating, but between 1-7 DCs at the most, we had huge spidering activity yesterday and back on 13-17 DCs so far today, fingers definitely crossed for a full recovery :)

zegiv




msg:3188518
 11:38 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Back to 13 to 16 DC too!
Hope it's in a good way!

fibalogger




msg:3188535
 12:03 pm on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Guys,

whow - I'm back on 14 DC's today.

With an "allins" request I'm 4 x back.
Curious: The "allins" positions are better than before (new #5 / #7 before) :O)

It is still not noticable with Adsense or number of visitors, but I'm optimistic for the next days now.

I wish for all the guys here the same positive effects and all the good positions back (or better), I think we can still hope for a big turkey at christmas :O)

Nice forum, I'll be back again in future too. I've an own community in Germany, but here I can train my English.

[edited by: tedster at 12:37 pm (utc) on Dec. 14, 2006]

Pamela2




msg:3188705
 4:39 pm on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

We have gone again. Pretty much from everywhere. It's pathetic.

whatley




msg:3188746
 5:16 pm on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

I dropped out last friday, but was back in by sunday/monday, but again this afternoon I have dropped out again.

I thought I might have been something to do with a load of old pages I removed from the server that Gsitemaps picked up - when I added them all back in, i appeared in the index again, but who knows!

I have not made any changes at all on my site apart from the above over the last 2 months - just added a few inbound link etc.

Hope that this just a temp thing!

walkman




msg:3188853
 6:57 pm on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

lots of changes on G with NO changes (from me) on one of my sites. From #1 to #50 to #1 and back to #50 or so...all within a week :)

frakilk




msg:3188865
 7:08 pm on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Current Damage :
-----------------
Traffic down 50% compared to same period last month
Earnings down 75% compared to same period last month (thanks Santa G)

Penalisation aside what other reasons (i.e screw ups) could there be for such wild swings? All this smacks of old data to me especially old backlink data.

In walkman's case when the site is #1 Google is saying that this is THE most relevant result for the query. Then suddenly it turns around and says "I must have been drunk when I said that, there are actually 49 more relevant results than this".

It's the wild swings that frustrate me the most.

macman23




msg:3188908
 8:41 pm on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

I saw a nice recovery in one of my sites on Dec. 11, but everything seems to have gone back to the old rankings on Dec. 14. Too bad, I guess.

fibalogger




msg:3188927
 9:02 pm on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

That's all to much and to much different constellations for an update or so many penalisations at the same time. I think it is either the maximum credible accident inside the google software calulation and voting system or only christmas time (or is it called adwords time?).

Pamela2




msg:3188958
 9:41 pm on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Given that I have not changed the content of the website for months, that leads me to believe that something happened offsite.

When Twiglet put forward the idea of a sudden influx of incoming links, I checked that. And there it was, as I mentioned above. A link to us had been added to two sites owned by the same guy in his sitewide navigation bar. This was maybe a month or so ago.

So I reckon in my case that is it. Those bozo's at Google think that this makes me some sort spammer site and the site has a penalty. That is why I used the word pathetic. Because that is what it is.

What is it they say there? "Do no evil" or something? Yeh, right. And a happy Christmas to you too Google.

zegiv




msg:3188966
 9:58 pm on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

We have gone again. Pretty much from everywhere. It's pathetic.

+1 :(

steveb




msg:3189044
 11:33 pm on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Google ineptly screwing up is not "doing evil".

Google is just currently doing a poor job as a search engine. They aren't sucking because they want to be Scrooge.

Pirates




msg:3189082
 12:41 am on Dec 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

Fibalogger are you really "http://arin.jogger.pl/"

Ermmm

fibalogger




msg:3189083
 1:01 am on Dec 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

[arin.jogger.pl...] What's that? :o/

Should I understand what you mean?

fibalogger




msg:3189088
 1:14 am on Dec 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

My meaning is, to punish white hats for nothing is the motivation for spamming in the future. Somebody have to survive...

Existence in danger and most of these guys, don't know what they've done wrong. Me too...

As I said yesterday; Better would be to kick the sites out, because we know what we have to do then.

I am still hoping, it's an error and unintended by Google.
To fighting against ALL seos is counterproductive.

9 days without mentionable takings :o( hard stuff...

Trilitech




msg:3189096
 1:27 am on Dec 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

back on 72 datacenters!?! What tool are you all using to check this. I haven't found any that check more than 16 or so data centers.

Anyways the 16 I checked have the new (bad) positions on all of them. What are you all seeing?

Inspired




msg:3189097
 1:31 am on Dec 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

He probably meant 72.* DCs...

Pirates




msg:3189098
 1:33 am on Dec 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

fibalogger

Nah mate your a scraper. Not gonna help you. And by the way incase you really are german (I think your polish) 2 world wars and 1 world cup ENGLAND!

fibalogger




msg:3189104
 1:58 am on Dec 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've experienced many tons of Kraut, 2 World Cups (not our first one) and fortunately no war. I've got no polish website, cannot read or understand polish language and I'm not a scrabber.

I'm sure there's no scrabber. Otherwise he scrabbed the whole internet or unless the half community resp. all the guys who've written the same problem here. God save the machine...

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