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Dec 7 - sudden drop in rankings
Anyone experiencing the same thing today?
moehits




msg:3181783
 8:57 pm on Dec 7, 2006 (gmt 0)


I have a site that yesterday ranked very high for many terms, today it is nowhere for any of them.

Things I'm seeing that changed, ...

In google sitemaps, it's saying many pages have low pagerank, or many pages have not been assigned pagerank yet, but the visible PR is very high across the site.

It has many high quality links, pr5 across the whole site.

The allinanchor searches used to show the site ranking high, now it is nowwhere for those searches.

 

mvandemar




msg:3187010
 2:57 am on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

tahiti said:
I am seeing some different results on these DC, there are more alike to the updates on Nov 16. Anyone seeing the samething as me?
72.14.203.107
72.14.203.104
72.14.203.99
64.233.167.147



Well, yes they do look like serps from a month ago. Unfortunately for me, I gained 20 positions between when those serps last showed, till just before this latest drop, so doesn't help me much. :)

I have a friend who would love to see those again though.

Also, in a previous post I mentioned about a site that had finally gotten a well deserved #1 position dropping from site. When I check by dc, it's still #1 on almost all of them. For the ones it's not #1 on, if I add the &filter=0 parameter, it comes back to #1 again. Now, I've seen filtering take out sites as high up as #9 before, but never have I seen it applied to the #1 spot. Anyone else see anything even remotely close to this behavior going on?

As to the dc vs. the dns'd rankings, the 2 will never match up. Even if you pig google.com or google.de or google.whatever, and grab the exact ip address you happen to be hitting at that moment, it still doesn't match. Same with if you hit the same Google, but change the language being used (&hl= portion).

-Michael

[edited by: mvandemar at 3:04 am (utc) on Dec. 13, 2006]

fibalogger




msg:3187011
 2:57 am on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

All DC's with the old well postions:

64.233.167.147 (only sometimes)
64.233.167.99 (only sometimes)
64.233.167.104 (only sometimes)
72.14.203.99 (permanent, except the day before yesterday)
72.14.203.104 (permanent, except the day before yesterday)
72.14.203.107 (permanent, except the day before yesterday)

gehrlekrona




msg:3187049
 4:36 am on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

ari11210:
I also lost my rankings in june, had a comback in August for a month and then was gone until November 17th. After that it has stayed pretty stable (knock on wood).

tahiti




msg:3187130
 6:59 am on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

72.14.203.107 --> #7 (my old and real position)
72.14.203.104 --> #7 (my old and real position)
72.14.203.99 --> #7 (my old and real position)
64.233.167.147 --> #7 (my old and real position)
Google.de --> # 37 --> Terrible
Please shut down all the dc's except
72.14.203.107
72.14.203.104
72.14.203.99
64.233.167.147

:O)

AGREE! :D

Pamela2




msg:3187231
 10:02 am on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

AGREE! :D

Me too! Seriously though, in a crisis of confidence I had some guy, a 'professional', take a quick look at my site to make sure nothing had gone funny with the server or anything. His diagnosis? I'll quote him: "If they are losing sites like this Google is in trouble, not you".

And as their poster here has obviously done a runner, a big zero out of ten for public relations too.

I never realized they were so unstable and unreliable. This mess is an eye opener.

frakilk




msg:3187233
 10:10 am on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

The quoted DCs are as they were before the 28th for me. I'm pretty confident that on or before the 27th/28th December that this whole obvious mess will be cleared up. If not then oh dear I don't know what to say.

vhmakhija




msg:3187247
 10:20 am on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have encountered the same problem in MSN. My site was ranking in the top 20 for most of the keywords, but since the past month it is nowhere.

Mine is a genuine airport transportation site having a P.R of 6. The structure of the site is good and we have relative content on most of pages. We have over 300 incoming links to the site.

I have sent many mails to MSN, but have not received a single reply yet.

Can anyone provide me with some suggestions as to what I should do.

steveb




msg:3187256
 10:36 am on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Another bit of weirdness...

site:example.com/dir1/

shows oddball page counts. Some pages showing up under a site:example.com search don't show under the more specific search, even though they should because they are in that directory.

fibalogger




msg:3187364
 12:39 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

The most bad thing is the uncertainty of these phenomenon.

Will I get my good positions back or not?
If the site would be kicked of, OK - let's start a new domain and I know what I have to do. But the half-assed situation and the financial losses desperate me very much. And the only thing I can do, is to wait, because I've no bad conscience about my work and still hoping for a Google failure.

I've a big power platform in germany, which was grown over many years and on a natural way. I never worked with doorways, spam or other bad things. Qualiti for the user was alwways my most important thing.

I'm self employed since 6 months because the internet business was very succesfull and now it's all destroyed in only one night, is that justly?

Google will survive without us, but can we survive without them?

It's horrable thought, but "our life depends on Google"...

@ Matt - Google should be repaired as soon as possible ;o)

zegiv




msg:3187401
 1:02 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Will I get my good positions back or not?
If the site would be kicked of, OK - let's start a new domain and I know what I have to do. But the half-assed situation and the financial losses desperate me very much. And the only thing I can do, is to wait, because I've no bad conscience about my work and still hoping for a Google failure.

Same here. If something can help us to know that the domain will continue with it's bad ranks for a lot of month, we can use a new domain. But without this information we dont want to lose a year of work.

Each day private us for a lot of money :/

I'm self employed since 6 months because the internet business was very succesfull and now it's all destroyed in only one night, is that justly?

If this lost of ranking was not, I may self employed my self in january 2007. Now it's completly different... goodbye my dream...

@ Matt - Google should be repaired as soon as possible ;o)

+1!

blend27




msg:3187409
 1:19 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I still see Edward Munch B-Day Logo for .co.uk google.

I still see 2 different cache Dates for home page of my site.
I still See Page Title of One page and link to other page for the competitors site that replaces my position(and no he would'nt know whow to cloak).
I still see another big time spamming competitor above everybody else in serp, in one case G shows 1 home page link and one to DOORWAY(200 words) as a supplement(indented)

fibalogger




msg:3187434
 2:00 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

@ zegiv - maybe we (and the other guys) should stop moaning, but trying to find out some similarities between our domains.

my site:

- PR 6
- 3,5 years old
- consistent good ranking
- many backlinks up to PR 7
- high quality directory
- different themes an branches, but a good ranking for all of them
- app. 1800 pages
- Yahoo backlinks: app. 50.000
- PR: 400xPR0 30xPR1 90xPR2 140xPR3 100xPR4 40xPR5 10xPR6 5xPR7
- before dropping, dual combis were listet very fine
- after dropping extrem easy combis are dropped away
- parts of the domain-name have no more positive influence with combis

Significant: the last two days before dropping, all important keys improved about #2 positions (my fave key even from #10 to #6).
I was so happy before nightmare's started... :o/

Another possible explanation? - Google maybe have updatet its rating software, and there's a bug in it, which only releases in some extremly situations. There's no explainable reason to rate single keys better than combis, which are containing one of these singles. Something goes wrong with rating od combis ans some single keys. Why?
So I say again: Please repair Google.

Are there any similarities with you guys?

zegiv




msg:3187469
 2:26 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

@ fibalogger

My website has a completly different profil :

- PR3 in Googlebar, I think PR4 on the next update
- 1 year old (since 1st december)
- consistent good ranking for middle competitives keywords for severeal months
- not ranking for high competitive keywords
- high quality directory too
- One unique theme
- app. 2500 pages, a lot of supplementals pages I eleminate each day with 301 redirections
- 1 525 BL said yahoo
- PR: I've made a 301 for each URL to change the URL Rewriting recently, so the PR will be update on the next PR update, actualy the Googlebar said 0
- The domain name have nothing to do with the theme (maybe one word)
- French web site
- Earning a lot of money with adsense
- 2600 visitors a day to 170 on good days

Significant :

- Lost -100 to -300 on every middle competitive keyword. Since one month I've make some links and now I rank for high competitives keywordss (far away on all DC where my website is out, just away on others)

- Unrank for www.mydomain.com on DC where my website is out

Recently :

- A lot of 301 for change all pages names, work well and I lose my ranking severeal weeks later on the same date as others.
- Add some pages.
- Add a lot of page with no-index flag for a test.
- Be smartpricing on adsense for 2 weeks (because of the pages with no-index flag).
- Have a duplicate content issue with 3 domains, no completly correct now but in progress (all 301) and all my ranks are down not just the pages in duplicate content.

Yes, I've make a lot of little mistakes, but nothing very wrong.

Completly different for you, like a random filter ;(

I know some people in France who are also impact by this lost of rankings, on same dates.

Sorry for my poor english :/

WW_Watcher




msg:3187473
 2:35 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Zegiv & fibalogger

Are both of your sites directories with adsense?

Back to watching,
WW_Watcher

zegiv




msg:3187486
 2:45 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

@ WW_Watcher

Yes, my website is a directory with adsense.

fibalogger




msg:3187488
 2:45 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

My website has a completly different profil

Yes, you've completely dfferent indicators.
I think it's more likely the 30+ problem or a manual punishment with your site, because of:
- Unrank for www.mydomain.com on DC where my website is out

Sorry for my poor english :/

The same for me too :o) It's my first time, that I post in an english forum, but these problem confirmed my self-confidence :O)

fibalogger




msg:3187504
 2:54 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

@ WW_Watcher - Yes, I have added Adsense, but I guess the takings will not satisfy Google in the future, if the current status remains any longer ;o)

The takings dropped down, because the combi-keys of the inscribed company-subpages (equipped with Adsense) can't be found at the moment.

fibalogger




msg:3187513
 2:58 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Supplementation to #:3187469:

further facts:
- my domain isn't out of the index
- with a request "my-domain.de" I'm still on #1
- TB shows the same PR I also had before

WW_Watcher




msg:3187514
 3:00 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I hate to see anyone lose their income. (unless they are leaches)

Having stated this, IMHO, if a couple more MFA directories were cast from G Serps, no loss to the rest of the world. If this does not apply to your site, I apologize for any offence, If they are MFA Directories, good riddance with no apology, perhaps G is getting better at doing it's job.

Back to watching,
WW_Watcher

fibalogger




msg:3187519
 3:09 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sorry, (I'm a German tourist ;o), what means MFA?

zegiv




msg:3187527
 3:13 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

@ WW_Watcher
My directory is not a MFA (Made For Adsense) website, it's a clean directory with real good content.
Adsense is the first income source for this website, but there is just one ads per page.

WW_Watcher




msg:3187532
 3:19 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

IMHO:
MFA stands for Made for Adsense,

Any site created for the purpose of showing up on the internet so that it can get it's visitors to click on a PPC link on their way out.

These sites are presented as directories, informational & such, but really do not provide anything of substance or benefit to the surfer, & only exist to make money off PPC.

Back to watching,
WW_Watcher

fibalogger




msg:3187537
 3:21 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

@ WW_Watcher - I wrote "Hig Quality Directory" surely not built only for Adsense. The advertisning are only for refund the gratis listed companies. The directory has great value content and very different pages and themes. Supplemental, the directory is only a part of the site, but the biggest one. The other parts are logodesign, webdesign, seo and others.

The question is: Are the sites of the other guys, affectet by the 7th Dec. problem, diretories too?

fibalogger




msg:3187552
 3:28 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Only for a possible test run:

@ WW_Watcher: If I remove the advertisings, do think the site is coming back again?

I forgot to note, that the domain ist still listet great with some very hard single keys.

Nevertheless, a punishment in accordance with your statement would concern the entire Domain and not only parts of it, or not?

zegiv




msg:3187592
 4:04 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Is someone who see this referer on his logfile near the 7 December :
https://www.google.com/evaluation/search/rating/task-edit
?

fibalogger




msg:3187609
 4:17 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I will check that...

What do you think about https://www.google.com/evaluation/search/rating/task-edit?

zegiv




msg:3187613
 4:27 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well, I lose all my rankings on the last 18 November. On this date I have this referer on my log file, for the first time this year.
Since this date I have this referer on 22 Nov, 26 Nov, 13 Dec.

Maybe it's a co-incidence, but the first time this referer appear on my log file is the same date of my new bad situation.

These referer is normaly for Google users who checks SERPS for Google (but it can be a fake as well).

If others here who are in the same situation as me on the 18 November or the 7 December have this referer in his log file, maybe it can have a relation both?

fibalogger




msg:3187615
 4:30 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

@ Zeviv - Nothing, https://www.google.com/evaluation/search/rating/task-edit isn't in the logas.

My problem exists since 5th December (not 7th)...

Visitors 4th December --> 7.500
Visitors 5th December --> 580
Yesterday --> app. 3.000
But the takings of Adwords are still very bad.

Significant:
From 4th... 7th minimal spider avtivities.
At the 8th very much spidering (as never seen before).

zegiv




msg:3187632
 4:44 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ok, maybe it's a co-incidence.

Significant:
From 4th... 7th minimal spider avtivities.
At the 8th very much spidering (as never seen before).

Since I lost my rankings, googlebot crawl me 70% to 85% less than before :(

twiglet




msg:3187636
 4:49 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Everyone,

i've a theory that this may be affecting sites that have experienced abnormally large swings in 1 way inbound links over the past month or so. i've seen a number of other members mentioning suspicions along these lines. Can any sites that have experienced the severe drops on Google since the start of December check to see if the numbers of inbound links have been changing in a way that Google might deem 'unnatural'. eg large quantities of low quality sie wide links appearing over ann unusually short time frame? If they have, add a post. I'll start the ball rolling by saying i'm aware that our site has been affected and we have seen a substantial growth in this type of link.

PS I'm going for the 'Edward Munch Update' :o)

PPS It may be no coincidence, but I just wonder how many sites are trying to get up the search engines for Christmas by getting more links?..

DConductor




msg:3187670
 5:15 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hello,

it seems the theory of twiglet is correct.
We've checked weeks ago a drop down of our sites in the serps by 100-250 positions. We think the indicator could be a "unnatural" growth in incoming links. Especially such with a higher page rank.

Unfortunately we can't say anything about the period of this "penalty".
1 domain was back in higher ranking after a period of approx. 4-6 weeks.

Best regards
DConductor

-- Sorry for double posting

[edited by: DConductor at 5:16 pm (utc) on Dec. 13, 2006]

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