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November 28 Data Refresh?
tflight




msg:3171244
 10:21 pm on Nov 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Is anybody else noticing the effects of a data refresh today? Starting about five hours ago I've noticed significant changes in Google referrals across one of my sites. Smells just like a few Google "data refreshes" of the past.

I seem to be able to confirm across most all of the data centers that terms I was in the top ten for are now nowhere to be found... not even in the top 200. This is going to make for a really bad holiday season for my product orientated site.

 

b2net




msg:3171326
 11:16 pm on Nov 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes I see a change but it's not much different to previous data pushes/refreshes that now seem to take place more and more frequently (last one was November 18?)

frakilk




msg:3171348
 11:40 pm on Nov 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

For me there is a dramatic change across almost all datacenters and it's not a good one. My site has been thrown into the deep dark depths after months of solid ranking. I made a decision to drop a low ranking, low quality area of the site comprising of a few thousand pages (it was an affiliate datafeed store) to leave only the high quality areas of the site intact. No doubt this is the cause.

Aforum




msg:3171418
 12:53 am on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

One of my sites has a small decrease but that usually happens and another came out of the box after we overhauled it.

So something definitely happened.

foxtunes




msg:3171441
 1:24 am on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've noticed changes since friday, but it seems a new filter or change to the algo was applied today.

indias next no1




msg:3171442
 1:24 am on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

another worst round started! My website is having qulaity content and regualar update, i can't understand what's is happening in google and how to overcome it.

JoeSinkwitz




msg:3171463
 1:50 am on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

I noticed an influx of blogspot spam; in one case, for an extremely competitive industry 3 of the top 10 are blogspot.

That's about the only huge change I see on this particular data refresh; the previous one knocked a couple sites back into the sandbox (I may have added some poor quality inbound links too quickly to some older sites...it was an interesting test).

Anyhow, back to this refresh...subdomain authority spam is on the rise...again...just in time for the holidays...again.

Cygnus

steveb




msg:3171470
 1:58 am on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

If you see a page disappear from ranking, add

&filter=0

to the end of the address of the google result page. You'll probably see the page reappear exactly where it should be ranking. (Also, don't look at the datacenters as they will often show sites that are lost on google.com when viewing the results in the search? mode.)

Google has had this screwup many times before, and unfortunately it usually takes awhile for them to fix things.

They have almost totally lost control of the results now. So many legit pages are being penalized/lost in oddball ways while the amount of freehost blogspam is at an alltime high.

Jordo needs a drink




msg:3171512
 2:33 am on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

&filter=0

One of my sites didn't disappear, it just dropped from 9 to 530 for the main keywords, with similar drops for all other keywords for the site. Add the filter=0 above, and it's still the same.

I guess I saw it coming, but didn't realize it, because it was ranked 9 on most datacenters, but a few had it around 530 for the last few days. I kinda watched it propagate from those few to most of them today. Now, I see it ranked around 530 on most datacenters, but 9 on just a few.

My other sites seem unaffected. The website that took the hit is just a little over a year old, so maybe back to the sandbox?

kidder




msg:3171524
 2:47 am on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

After some pretty bad rankings for the last few months our older sites have risen up again. At a glance it looks like "age" is carrying a bit more "weight". We came back from nothing after years of great rankings until June 27th turned things upside down - this like it might be good for us!

nuthin




msg:3171530
 2:54 am on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

A few customers sites that were optimized within the past 6 or so months all came out of the sandbox within the past week or so.

Unfortunately today I also noticed a drop on one of my personal sites. Looks like some sort of penalty like the -30 described in another thread on here.

Had a few brought advertising site wide links pointing to the site, getting these removed, but I don't think this was the issue. Hopefully it's just Google's XMAS SERP'S.

Wishful thinking. ;)

steveb




msg:3171704
 7:11 am on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

"it just dropped from 9 to 530"

Different phenomenon. That is more of the standard data fresh behavior, rather than the filtered result thing.

The list of jargon for specific "google screwed up" errors could fill a telephone book.

Beachboy




msg:3171755
 8:32 am on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

Steveb said:

"If you see a page disappear from ranking, add

&filter=0

to the end of the address of the google result page. You'll probably see the page reappear exactly where it should be ranking. (Also, don't look at the datacenters as they will often show sites that are lost on google.com when viewing the results in the search? mode.)"

..........Hmmmm had no effect at all for me, in the stuff I track.

Something needs fixin'. Who got a wrench?

frakilk




msg:3171759
 8:39 am on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

Jordo my site has dropped similar to yours and &filter=0 does nothing. Have you made any recent big changes to your site?

zegiv




msg:3171827
 10:37 am on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

One of my sites didn't disappear, it just dropped from 9 to 530 for the main keywords, with similar drops for all other keywords for the site. Add the filter=0 above, and it's still the same.

I guess I saw it coming, but didn't realize it, because it was ranked 9 on most datacenters, but a few had it around 530 for the last few days. I kinda watched it propagate from those few to most of them today. Now, I see it ranked around 530 on most datacenters, but 9 on just a few.

My other sites seem unaffected. The website that took the hit is just a little over a year old, so maybe back to the sandbox?

The same situation append for me, my website dropped from the top 10 to 250 on many keywords and lost 90% of is traffic.

This appear on the 18th November 2006. It is on the top 10 on 6 datacenters.

The website is just 1 year old (the next mounth it will be).

I've make severeal change on the last month and this month, so maybe it's the reason of that... :/

Good luck for your situation.

nuthin




msg:3171838
 10:53 am on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

It's hard to say what's happening at the moment really.
Every year for the last couple at least, every November Google seems to go a little haywire with the results that they feed there visitors.

Of course Google will never really admit anything to anyone about this phenomenon, but it does make it very hard during this period if you are an active webmaster who monitors web sites to believe facts from fiction per se.

Once your in this industry for a while you will quickly understand that it's best not to do anything during these periods and simply wait it out, if you feel that it's Google's problem and not yours.

onetry




msg:3171846
 11:08 am on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

Whoa :-)

I was penalized too on 19 November and lost 95% of my traffic :-)

I did big "footer" inbound linking from 2 or 3 subdomains and added 200 pages at a time.

On 19 Nov ALL PAGES from my site, contentful pages too, were penalized from top 10 positions to 400-500 positions.

It is a very sad christmas but...who cares :-)

... O__o

toothake




msg:3171855
 11:23 am on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

have you all noticed that pages on #1 for years now do not give a $%^ for all those data refereshes.....

lhtrading




msg:3171856
 11:25 am on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

We've seen the reverse -- a month ago our site and many competitors' sites were dumped wayyyyy down the results after being first-page for our most popular terms for several years.

Off-topic authority sites with single on-topic pages and blog spam sites appeared instead.

Since 28 Nov, results look much better (for us at least), which our site and many competitors' sites back, mixed in with fewer off-topic authority sites and no blog spam.

toothake




msg:3171860
 11:30 am on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

intrading ,if you where not a DMOZ editor since the naive days of internet you just lost the game ,that is MHO.

nuthin




msg:3171872
 11:41 am on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

onetry if you are adding 200 pages at a time, I think there could currently be a problem with that.

It seems un-natural in the eyes of Google, however crap that may sound.. they may not like it.

I personally do not like what I am hearing about adding so much content at once, as I am of the opinion.. what about a new web site with a huge product catalog in production? Obviously they are not going to send it live until they fill there product catalog with the content. What happens then?

Are you using Sitemaps for these pages? Maybe that may help.

Also duplication is a big thing at the moment. If you are an affiliate or have content which is likely to be re-hashed, you may have a problem.

onetry




msg:3171883
 11:48 am on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)


what about a new web site with a huge product catalog in production? Obviously they are not going to send it live until they fill there product catalog with the content. What happens then?

In fact it should be perfectly legitimate...

Also don't misunderstand me, I added 200 pages only ONE time.


Are you using Sitemaps for these pages? Maybe that may help.

I do, but as other people here I can read the "old" rankings for query searches...


Also duplication is a big thing at the moment. If you are an affiliate or have content which is likely to be re-hashed, you may have a problem.

Do you think that "empty content" is similar to "duplicate content"?

I mean that I tested 100 pages with "empty content"...but this test penalized ALL PAGES from my site. I think it is not so good...

nuthin




msg:3171895
 12:07 pm on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think you hit the nail on the head.
Empty pages and no content is clearly a no-no and will lead to problems for your web site.

One of my associates also believes that pages that are too similar like alot of content management systems spit out, can cause issues for product catalog web sites. I am yet to research this to any certain extent.

seoartix




msg:3171956
 1:14 pm on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yep. I've noticed some noticeable changes with how Google ranks my sites. But my new SEO blog still is not earning any sweet nothings from Google. :-(

JoeSinkwitz




msg:3172054
 2:18 pm on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

For this particular refresh, it doesn't look like &filter=0 has much of an effect, however using "keyword phrase" does -- just put the phrase in quotes and see if it comes back. I find that to be rather humorous; some updates one trick works better than others. A couple months ago I found that using the negative nonsense operator worked (-sadflkjsdfkljs -sdflk3445sdf -sdfklsnmfljs type stuff)

I believe that some of the lost sites might have to do with that influx of ranked blogspots...the majority that I've found so far are clearly scraping and redirecting, so it is possible that they are being classified as the higher trusted site, causing the other sites to get temporarily filtered. It is of my opinion that it is temporary, given that individual splogs rarely last "that" long -- whether or not Google cracks down on them or if they pull a MSN for the new splogs as they are created, well, we'll just have to wait and see.

Cygnus

PrattTA1




msg:3172078
 2:36 pm on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

What exactly is a "data refresh"?

arikgub




msg:3172314
 5:21 pm on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have a 10 months old site that got out of the sandbox a week ago and was on the first SERPS page until this morning. Now it is nowhere.

It looks like many young sites have been hit. Just wondering if that was an intentional algo change or a temporary thing that is gonna be fixed soon... I hope for the latter.

BTW, if I use quotes in search query (like "blue widget") my site is still on the 1st page.

RonnieG




msg:3172379
 5:56 pm on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

It seems pretty basic to me, but if a page has the users search terms in the same word sequence entered by the user, then it should get that page a much better "hit score" than if the words in the query are fragmented all over the page, with or without quotes around the users search phrase. But it doesn't seem to work that way. Too bad. As a user, I would expect to have to enter more than one or two words, in an appropriate sequence, to get relevant results, and I shouldn't have to know or remember to enter them in quotes. I guess that's what you get when programmers with strict boolean logic instead of natural language in their technonerdy brain cores are writing the algos.

rden17




msg:3172380
 5:56 pm on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

One of my sites that got hit hard on NOv 15th, still hasn't recovered. I'm getting absolutely no traffic at all from google on this one. Was getting super traffic a few days prior to the 15th push, then dried up to nothing. Still no traffic. (btw, this site has 16000 + pages indexed too - but the pages that brought me traffic in the past have dropped of the index)

The only thing I did notice was that some of my new domains (actually 2months old) have finally gotten indexed on some of the DC's, but only the index page.

Jordo needs a drink




msg:3172422
 6:21 pm on Nov 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

Have you made any recent big changes to your site?

No, not really. Reading the other reports, it does seem to me that it's a newness thing. I wasn't really expecting this site to be doing so well so fast anyways.

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