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Massive change in SERPS - Nov 19
victorP




msg:3161946
 12:25 am on Nov 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am really surprised that there are no threads about this, but in my niche there have been a huge shift in the SERPS.

Anybody else see anything strange?

My pages lost about 80% of their traffic about 10 days ago or so. Nov 16/17 I noticed a few terms popping back into the top three positions...

Hope it continues to gets better...

Nobody else had any problems?

 

Skier




msg:3163983
 6:01 pm on Nov 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have seen a 10-20% drop in traffic over the last week or so. I was expecting some gains due to seasonal factors. Traffic from a larger than normal range of search phrases has been sending better qualified visitors to more precisely targetted internal pages lately. Less traffic - more sales.

Overall, it still only looks like normal ups and downs to me.

JohnCanyon




msg:3164157
 8:19 pm on Nov 21, 2006 (gmt 0)


keyphrase-1.[bloggingservice].com
keyphrase-st.[bloggingservice].com
keyphrase-d.[bloggingservice].com
keyphrase-2.[bloggingservice].com

Or maybe Google has decided it likes the ways that MSN does it ;-)

MSN's results are very very poor, and G's are worse then ever. Tons of blogging SPAM, clicked on one of them and the site actually locked my PC.

Lets hope they are testing some form of new filtering system or something, cause if things stay the way they are, the only ones who win are the SPAMMERS and Black Hatters.

AndyA




msg:3164167
 8:33 pm on Nov 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

I will agree that Google's search results seem to be getting worse instead of better. I've had more than a few people ask me how my site is doing, because they had all quit using Google exclusively, or checked Google first but then went to another SE. In light of the fact that Google has half of the search traffic, one wonders how many of them exclusively use Google vs. checking multiple SEs.

Yahoo! has been my SE of choice lately, and when I compare the two, Yahoo doesn't seem to be riddled with all the useless directory sites that clog up Google, at least for the search terms I watch.

SpanishWeb




msg:3164343
 11:47 pm on Nov 21, 2006 (gmt 0)


The best SE? One thing is MY personal preference and other one the users choice.

I want to be where the users are searching, and that's google (at this moment).

National TV vs. Local TV

netchicken1




msg:3164370
 12:16 am on Nov 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have to admit seeing crazy things that have benefited me but make no sence at all.

Such as this....

I have one page on a topic to do with war and military interests, basically just a page of links to sites and articles I have gathered. Big deal, hobby stuff.

This single page now ranks above entire military focused sites in google, at present #1 ranking for some of the most common keywords.

I can't do anything but marvel at it, but even for me its just plain crazy. It has little unique content, certianly not a serious page at all in comparison to the others.

There are other instances like this as well.

youfoundjake




msg:3164380
 12:31 am on Nov 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

For what ever its worth, 4-5 months ago, results for my main keyword phrase returned 80 million, today it shows 10 million.
And I still don't rank in the top 1000, dang.

reseller




msg:3164381
 12:33 am on Nov 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

victorP

I am really surprised that there are no threads about this, but in my niche there have been a huge shift in the SERPS.

In fact some of us including yours trully have already mentioned that on another thread [webmasterworld.com]

[edited by: tedster at 5:09 am (utc) on Nov. 22, 2006]
[edit reason] repair link [/edit]

powerstar




msg:3164438
 1:35 am on Nov 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

i see some improvment on some of the spam... so i think we should wait few more days and see

victorP




msg:3164995
 3:00 pm on Nov 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

reseller-

I retract my previous statement! :0)

Marval




msg:3166006
 12:28 pm on Nov 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

Noted that there is a huge movement of "censoring" going on starting a few days ago - common phrases that were in the past mostly adult results due to the word combinations are now being peppered with amazon and blog results - interesting term that I wont put up here - but having had the #1 position for it for years it was a good 5k visitors a day click spot - is now all amazon for a book title in the first three SERPs - interesting that country versions of amazon dont count towards the 2 SERPs rule - and the rest of the positions to around 120 are resellers of amazon or blog spam pages about the book as well as quite a few spam univerity subdomains with cloaked pages - that just happen to have that word combo in them on the scraped results pages.

Certainly not complaining as it wasnt very good CTR from that traffic, but an interesting shift that I see across the board of how Google is handling adult keyword/site queries
Reminds me of the censoring they did a few years back when the "mosted searched 3 letter word" got censored in the English results by google to only list PG-rated stuff - interesting concept for a company that has always wanted to be seen as not doing anything to put their "personal preferences" into the algo (other than the obvious restrictions in adwords etc)

pemba76




msg:3166214
 5:12 pm on Nov 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

I was just checking my sites using site command on google. Then suddenly i felt like checking the status of yahoo and msn. I used the site command on yahoo and msn and the results were just 2,020 and 175 respectively. Whats going on?

Lorel




msg:3166281
 6:35 pm on Nov 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

Anyone notice that about 1/2 of all results in a keyword search are returning URL only listings?

Umbra




msg:3166307
 6:58 pm on Nov 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

I just wish that if Google HAD to do this, that it would have happened AFTER the holidays. Screwing things up so close to Christmas sales is a terrible thing.

Web_speed




msg:3166772
 8:16 am on Nov 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Screwing things up so close to Christmas sales is a terrible thing.

In case you missed it, there's always Adwords ... rest assured those terrible data pushes/updates so close to Christmas sales are intentional.

Long live $500+ p/share poogel.

[edited by: Web_speed at 8:17 am (utc) on Nov. 24, 2006]

RazvanG




msg:3166934
 11:26 am on Nov 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

i joined into WebmasterWorld today to see what others have to say about this google update.

It is a real google update.
Google is trying to get the affiliate links and affiliate link based sites out of the system.
I have a site which had until yesterday over 5000 pages indexed. From yesterday i have only 39 now and it varied like the following : 38 - 29 - 39 pages.

It seems that template sites will have to evolve as we know them now as the Google Alg have from what i heard a plan of indexing only the index page of the site ( i don't really can believe this ... but it is better to analyse further).

Also for this site you imagine my traffic diminushed by 50% aprox.

Also weird is that the sitemap.html of the site is not indexed anymore though it has a PR3.

This might be fluctuating and i will give you an answer on this post after a week from now so we can track down the Algorithm , maybe.

Cheers and i see a lot of profy people around here ... since i am new to this forum

Cheer and i am looking for your thoughts on this ...

plasma




msg:3167009
 12:57 pm on Nov 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

I will agree that Google's search results seem to be getting worse instead of better.

Google optimizes for their visitors, not webmasters ;-)

Umbra




msg:3167057
 2:35 pm on Nov 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

In case you missed it, there's always Adwords ...

We do use Adwords. But our CPC bid puts most of our ads on the right hand side which sends a lot less traffic than from organic SERPS (We could pay a buck a click to consistently get 1st or 2nd place on Adwords, but that's simply not economical for us).

rest assured those terrible data pushes/updates so close to Christmas sales are intentional.

If what we see now on the SERPS sticks until the next visible update next month or so, then I would say it's intentional. But many people here are in the opinion that this is a temporary problem of refreshing their index, in which case it's a technical problem and it's not intentional (unless they want merchants spending more on Adwords -- the classic conspiracy theory)

BillyS




msg:3167098
 3:18 pm on Nov 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

RazvanG - Welcome to WebmasterWorld!

Drew_Black




msg:3167277
 6:19 pm on Nov 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

I run an adult site that's consistently been in the top 5 positions for a half-dozen keywords going on 5 years. The site has been online since early '99, PR5 with about 440k pages in the Google index.

In the last week our daily traffic has dropped from 14k-15k Google-referred visits/day to less than 2k. Instead of top 5 we've fallen to position 150 - 500. I've been trying to figure out what killed us since we didn't really change anything. We did run an Amazon affiliate IFrame for a few weeks to help a movie star sell her new book on our home page. I'd be surprised if that caused it.

I've also noticed that most of the well-established industry leaders have experienced similar drops. They have been replaced by bittorent and other piracy-oriented sites. 50% of the first 100 results on many of our most important keywords are now pointing to movie piracy sites. Is Google's idea of optimizing for their users? I don't get it.

Skier




msg:3167334
 7:29 pm on Nov 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Drew, I wouldn't touch anything on your site yet. It's Christmas shopping season and Google is likely putting the "shopping stuff" forward, and is being a bit more discrete about adult-looking sites, for a while.

JoeHouse




msg:3167464
 9:44 pm on Nov 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think something positive may be happening with serps. Hoping someone who reads this can confirm.

Except for the homepage my entire website is in Supplemental Index.

About two weeks ago I made the recommended changes that I have read on this forum to try and get out of the supplemental index on Google.

Here is what I have noticed in the last two weeks after my changes:

when I did a search as "site:mydomain.com" Before my changes to the website I had 689 pages indexed all supplemental. Since that time and after my changes I now have 1850 pages index but again all supplemental except for the homepage.

Can I take this as a positive sign that Google is crawling my site more and grabing more pages even though they are still being place in supplemental?

Keep in mind my site is about 1 year old.....I had title tag issues and also duplicate content issues which all have been corrected two weeks back.

Can I assume that google is preparing to send me back to the main index?

Does anybody have any experience with this? Is is this a clear sign that I may be getting out?

RazvanG




msg:3167526
 12:19 am on Nov 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

tks BillyS for the warm Welcoming.

I say hy to all the board members and i hope we will learn new and unique stuff from each others

Yes i agree i that a lot of the queries now show results from Amazon and other Trusted sites in the top results but without a real relevance to the query. It is just the fact the the Amazon title contains the keyword s of the search made but the content is not relevant to what the user is searching really.

Update happen all the time in Goolge but this one takes the other monthly updates down. It is of much larger scale and too many people noticed it.

If this will happen monthly from now on it will be sad both for visitors and webmasters.

But each one of them either it is a visitor ( seacher ) or webmaster will change it's pattern in activity : search or optimization.

There is always a new wave and to be good you must be ahead of it or at least very very close to it :)

tedster




msg:3167532
 12:36 am on Nov 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

JoeHouse, it's hard to be definitive right now about anything regarding the site: operator and the Supplemental index. The way the reported data is working seem to be almost "under construction" and past experience doesn't weigh very heavily in interpreting current changes. But what you report is heartening -- do keep us posted.

JoeHouse




msg:3167552
 1:07 am on Nov 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Tedster

Things are looking up....just did a search using "site:mydomain.com". Google has been visiting my site several times a day and seemingly attempting to index my entire site.

Even though these pages are all supplemental (execept for homepage), google has now indexed 2,090 pages up from 689 just a few short weeks ago.

Again for those who are just tuning in, I made recommendated changes to remove duplicate content in both title tags, content and made sure no dups appear anywhere. Within days google spiders started to visit my site several times a day and my indexed pages continue to climb.

I hope when the next full update in serps happen, I will be removed from supplemental and back into the main index.

Has anybody had any experience with this?

BuckerBucker




msg:3167582
 2:06 am on Nov 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

After struggling and thinking about this problem of the newest Google shuffle for a week now, I wonder if it isn't simply just pushing the e-commerce sites ahead for the Christmas buying season.

From what we are seeing, religious, information, adult sites are taking a beating, and e-commerce sites aren't affected as badly.

Quite frankly, the e-commerce sites have had a tough year, and have shouldered the brunt of uncertainty, when their very livelihoods have depended on Google playing fair.

I have struggled to keep code and display perfect on my site, thinking that if it was good, I would not suffer the same consequences as my e-commerce counterparts.

I was wrong. Now I have unfairly been scattered by the unseen forces of search robots, and they're not explaining. I suppose if they did acknowledge a shift for monetary gain during this time, then they would be exposing crucial proprietary info on their algorithm, and get the black hats scammin and spammin next year at the same time.

So for the need for peace of mind in this important season for the Faithful, I'm gonna be happy that finally the e-commerce sites are able to scratch a living, and hope they can make up for all the terrible falls they've taken this year. And I'm gonna hope that I'm figuring it all right, and my religious site comes back up next year.

If Google is able, though, I sure hope that Christmas Day lets the focus be on the real reason for the season, and is able to merge us back in the midst of the money makers on that very important celebration of Christ's birth. That's my take.

RazvanG




msg:3167729
 9:11 am on Nov 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

i do not know what to say about commercial sites

search for google on
laptop
or
personal computer

Most of the results in top 10 if not all are information based not ecommerce.
I disagree that the ecomerce sites are left alown.

It seems this update is made keyword by keyword as new keywords i was searching today have the same new paatner as the new shuffle then they were looking a day ago.

Interesting

Umbra




msg:3169612
 5:42 pm on Nov 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

In the last week our daily traffic has dropped from 14k-15k Google-referred visits/day to less than 2k. Instead of top 5 we've fallen to position 150 - 500.

I've been seeing the same... forget the minus 30 penalty being discussed on WebmasterWorld, this is the minus 500 penalty. It's almost unprecedented how this update has affected almost all the major players in one industry, except for some lucky websites that have slipped through the cracks.

I saw a blog posting on Friday that may touch upon this issue... that was about Google clearing the top 10 results of all porn listings, and maybe it is related?

Drew, I wouldn't touch anything on your site yet. It's Christmas shopping season and Google is likely putting the "shopping stuff" forward, and is being a bit more discrete about adult-looking sites, for a while.

Well if anyone wants to buy adult stuff for the holidays, don't use Google now. Do a search for "[adult stuff] shopping" and all the major retailers are still buried at positions 150+

trinorthlighting




msg:3169666
 6:32 pm on Nov 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have seen a few .uk sites go completely supplemental this past week as well. May be google has a cold....

helpnow




msg:3169705
 7:23 pm on Nov 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

No changes here across a few different sectors! Holding well for the past couple months or so now...

Indeed, not only are our rankings holding, but even the others above or below us are constant...

Thus, no SERP changes to report anywhere.

purplekitty




msg:3169709
 7:31 pm on Nov 27, 2006 (gmt 0)


I think something positive may be happening with serps. Hoping someone who reads this can confirm.
Except for the homepage my entire website is in Supplemental Index.

About two weeks ago I made the recommended changes that I have read on this forum to try and get out of the supplemental index on Google.

Here is what I have noticed in the last two weeks after my changes:

when I did a search as "site:mydomain.com" Before my changes to the website I had 689 pages indexed all supplemental. Since that time and after my changes I now have 1850 pages index but again all supplemental except for the homepage.

Can I take this as a positive sign that Google is crawling my site more and grabing more pages even though they are still being place in supplemental?

Keep in mind my site is about 1 year old.....I had title tag issues and also duplicate content issues which all have been corrected two weeks back.

Can I assume that google is preparing to send me back to the main index?

Does anybody have any experience with this? Is is this a clear sign that I may be getting out?


This is pretty much what I'm seeing on my less than a year old info site. Created in February. Google initially loved it and indexed every page I added. Then sent everything but two pages to supplemental. Everything I subsequently added was immediately sent to supplemental.

Worked on any dupe content issues that I could see. I saw some issues with title tags and pdf files that I use as a download for printing, so I cleaned up my title tags and added a disallow for pdfs to my robots.txt.

Starting last week, saw some big changes. About 1/2 of the pages fell completely out of the supplemental index, nothing moved to main and I still didn't see any ranking for major keyword phrases. Wasn't really happy with what I was seeing and couldn't figure out what to do next.

Then yesterday, saw a huge increase in traffic. When I checked two very competitive keyword phrases, found that my site came from oblivion to rank on page two and three in the serps, respectively. Still only have the two pages in the main index with everything else still showing in supplemental.

I can't figure it out.

JoeHouse




msg:3169820
 9:28 pm on Nov 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hello again purplekitty and everyone

I haven't gotten out of supplemental yet but everything seems to be moving in a very positive direction.

Since my last post regarding this "site:mydomain.com" now has over 2260 indexed all supplemental.

I am seeing more and more searching being pulled from the supplemental when someone on main index is doing a search that matches close to my keywords.

Here is the kicker, almost all my results on the main index come from the search "onebox" Google results. Which is fantastic!

I can only imagine what kind of traffic my site would create only if google lets me out of the supplemental index.

After all my tweaking Google appear's to like what I have done....but I still believe that they also take into effect the age of the website which is holding me back as well.

I hoping by spring they will cut me loose and let me play with the big boys!

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