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Google Co-op Launches "Create A Custom Search Engine"
ideavirus




msg:3132604
 5:49 am on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi,

Just launched... take a look at here [techcrunch.com] and here [gigaom.com] and here [searchenginejournal.com]...

Google Co-op Launches [google.com]

This is the most significant product from google this year and will have a direct impact on its bottomline

Well... i have start with atleast 3 niche search engines already... working on them currently...

This is definetly disruptive idea...

Cheers

[edited by: tedster at 6:05 am (utc) on Oct. 24, 2006]

 

joeking




msg:3132613
 6:14 am on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks for this heads up

whitenight




msg:3132622
 6:32 am on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

However, the problem is that they are not giving any real incentive for people to do that. The share of Adsense bounty is just the same as on a plain vanilla site. It should increase the payouts to the search builders. They are getting more focused search results (hence higher click throughs for their ad), so why not share the profits with folks who are doing the heavy lifting.

I think this sums it up.
Why do more R&D, when you get the sheeple masses to do a bunch of the work for you?

Goodbye, Google "do no evil"
Hello, Google, way too powerful, information gatherer, money-hungry conduit to an efficient Big Brother.

It was fun while it lasted.
Btw - How much money did everyone make on their last adsense check?
Enough to buy your own island to live on "just in case". ;)

BigDave




msg:3132634
 7:00 am on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Goodbye, Google "do no evil"

Please do explain, for those of us too ignorant to comprehend, how creating a complete opt in service, that is unlikely to get more thant a few tens of thousands of searches a day, equates to "evil" and "big brother"?

Some of their other actions might draw the comparison, but this one? Get serious.

whitenight




msg:3132645
 7:14 am on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Get serious

Seems you're a bit TOO serious when reading my post.

On the other hand, I'd love to discuss the merits of the smackdown handed to Google by Belgian Courts.

Now that's a much more "serious" topic to discuss, no?
(I mean they ACTUALLY had to pay a fine. How amusing)

suzie250




msg:3132722
 8:32 am on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Naturally, one of my first thoughts was, how will this help me as a webmaster?

There has to be some incentive (other than adsense) for me to want to show search engine results to my visitors and willingly send them away from my site.

If I had access to the search terms used by my visitors, that would be some incentive! For a small site, those terms alone would be more valuable than any income from adsense.

If you have good set of repeat visitors, I can see where this would add some value to your site. But what about the sites where the visitors have no real need to keep coming back?

What other reasons might I want to add this service to my site?

iblaine




msg:3132732
 8:46 am on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

1. This is a cool service that can be valuable for your community of customers. However consider you create a search engine for your niche & your community finds it useful. How hard do you think it would be for a competitor to mimic it? Not very. Don't expect a competitive advantage by using this.

2. I trust Google as far I can throw them.

trillianjedi




msg:3132738
 8:56 am on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

How hard do you think it would be for a competitor to mimic it?

I suppose the creator value add is the seed index, and if it's big enough it could be quite hard to duplicate.

TJ

guessme




msg:3132795
 10:30 am on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think this is one of their best product after Search & Gmail....

& I can smell 100s of POPULAR Niche search engines in near future.

Web_speed




msg:3132828
 11:12 am on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

"I can smell 100s of POPULAR Niche search engines in near future."

And they will ALL be branded Google. Like most of the web nowdays...don't you just love it?

PaulPA




msg:3132830
 11:13 am on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've set this up but from what I can tell you can't limit searches to your own site. The search box gives options to search using the customized search engine you've created or searching the web. Can anyone see where searches can also be limited to your own site?

brakkar




msg:3132882
 12:28 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

As a webmaster, i'm not sure I see the point.
Adsense site search does the job better already: my visitors can search my site or the entire web.

With this new product, they can't search my site only, and I must build the niche sites list.... there are thousads of site in my niche, I will never cover them all and google normal search is precise enough to deliver the wanted result.

+ I can already integrate adsense site search in a page.

So what's the point? Am I missing somehting?

Cordially,
Brakkar

zomega42




msg:3132930
 1:23 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm okay with branding like "Ads by Goooogle".

I'd be okay with "Search results by Google Co-op"

But I'll be darned if I stick a box on my site that says "Google search results customized by Mysite using Google Co-op" and takes up three lines of text.

weeks




msg:3132934
 1:27 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Just for the record for the casual reader of this message board. The whining here is not to be taken too seriously, nor is the enthusiasm. This is the Internet. Most everyone will try it and see how it works. Good, go. Bad, stop. The barrier to entry in this biz is wonderfully low.

Serious e-commerce sites will probably be able to do better than this, but many small websites, even some small biz websites, will find Google coop a useful a way to add value for their readers/customers.

Great find, ideavirus. Thanks for the heads up.

mrjohncory




msg:3132945
 1:34 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

@weeks,

Yeah, it's a good find I agree but surely I'm not the only one who's getting tired of investigating every weird and only semi-useful tool that Google throws into the mix.

I just made two search engines that were basically my clients' industries' top keyword + "search engine" . . . Wondering if that means I now have some stake in something there. I hope not. I hope that this in no way influences SERPs. And please, God, do not let them put "Widget Search Engine" as the top result for every single thing I search for two months from now. That occasional sidebar and the maps and the 15 other Google sites and listings modifiers are all plenty enough to wreck my OCD as it is. Just one more add-on and they might as well start using gifs and gradients and call it Yahoo. Not whining . . . I'm just still catching up on Google maps' business center. Sheesh.

annej




msg:3132960
 1:45 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

If I had access to the search terms used by my visitors, that would be some incentive!

This would be far more valuable to me than a little AdSense money.

ronburk




msg:3133003
 2:09 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Can anyone see where searches can also be limited to your own site?

Well, it's "built on" Google Co-op. Last I looked, Co-op didn't let you inject new results into searches, only add terms and re-order results within the resulting searches.

ebound




msg:3133039
 2:28 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

If I had access to the search terms used by my visitors, that would be some incentive!

This would be far more valuable to me than a little AdSense money.

User search terms are easily tracked here. All you need is a simple scripted landing page to request the q form variable. Then add that term to a database.

It may be against the TOS, I haven't looked, but its very easy to track each and every search performed by your users - as long as you are using the option to keep the search results within your own website.

PaulPA




msg:3133191
 3:37 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

I like the product alot but would not use it to replace the main Google search on my site since it does not appear to allow for own site searching. Though I would include it as an add-on value item inside the site.

hdevore




msg:3133304
 4:55 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Are there not some "interesting" aspects of this that point towards increased empowerment of the smaller websites to synergize with their user base demographic and attempt to reap more albeit small revenue?

As Google "connects" more with the smaller sites it would also seem that an obvious thing on their drawing boards would be to take-out Linkshare and Commission Junction. Percentage of sale will always be a lot more on a per action basis than percentage of click.

Thoughts anyone? Google going down the affiliate network path?

P.S. - re: Google's evil. Domain parking and the syndicated search feeds to them is absolutely the dark side and very very disappointing.

Tom_Dalton




msg:3133309
 4:58 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

This comment will appear far too late in this thread to have any bearing on anything, but to my great amusement, I've found that my Firefox adblocker completely wipes out all Google Co-op search results.

Adblock Plus -- keepin' it real!

Google -- more and more blocked every day!

(I was really confused when I did my first few tests and it seemed like the results were just broken on every site...)

wrgvt




msg:3133325
 5:18 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

I can see some real value in this for one of my sites, and I already have a customized list of other sites to search from. Looking at some of the examples, it looks like you can have one search box that allows to either search my site or search my custom search engine. I can't figure out how to do that, though.

PaulPA




msg:3133332
 5:22 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Seemed to me like these sites were supplementing the Google CSE with their own search engine. I did not see an option to have search results limited to your own site using CSE.

suzie250




msg:3133366
 5:47 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

User search terms are easily tracked here. All you need is a simple scripted landing page to request the q form variable. Then add that term to a database.

It doesn't appear that we can track the search terms ourselves. It would make a great enhancement to google analytics though.

From the TOS under 1.4 Appropriate Conduct.:
directly or indirectly generate queries, or impressions of or clicks on Results, through any automated, deceptive, fraudulent or other invalid means (including, but not limited to, click spam, robots, macro programs, and Internet agents);

Another thing that ran through my head, I wonder how many webmasters will try to sell an inclusion into their CSE?

BigDave




msg:3133377
 5:54 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

suzie, that refers to generating clicks, not tracking them.

peterdaly




msg:3133483
 7:10 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Anyone else seeing lots of empty space at the bottom of search results?

There's a large gap between the end of the results and my footer.

karmov




msg:3133511
 7:41 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've got the same huge gap at the bottom of my results.

I'm taking it for a spin on one of my smaller sites before I decide whether or not it should go further. Very interesting so far. I'm hosting the results page myself so I'll have to sort something out to pull out the search terms.

ebound




msg:3133523
 7:48 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've got the same huge gap at the bottom of my results.

This is an IFRAME height issue. With the 'Adsense for Search' product you were able to adjust the height of the IFRAME. It does not look like you are able to adjust the height here. It looks as if they are calculating it in the JS file (I did not examine this file in depth).

bwnbwn




msg:3133524
 7:50 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

"since it does not appear to allow for own site searching"

Incorrect
it does allow for this you abnd the rest just didn't read the instructions. I have it set up for my site search only and it works fine.

All I can see in this is the adding feature of hooking my account with a search now were before I offered the search without the added benifit of the code.

I have got mine set up so it is so close to my site I can use it if I want for a product search page if I chose but right now I will hold off and see how it works.

After I posted the above I went back and looked were my search doen't correct spelling Google does, Googlesearches my blog, and my subdomain.

I think I will make the switch to using this as my site search to save myself allot of bandwidth "plus make a few extra bucks on my competitiors".

I like that idea the best and in ecommerce we can use all the few bucks we can get

PaulPA




msg:3133597
 8:45 pm on Oct 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

bwnbwn - so you are saying that there can be three search options listed: 1) search my site, 2) search my selected group of custom sites, 3) search the web? I did not see how this was possible. Can you kindly direct me to the instructions on this.

[edited by: PaulPA at 8:46 pm (utc) on Oct. 24, 2006]

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