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Recovered from the 27 June trauma
carlitos




msg:3108953
 11:39 pm on Oct 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi guys,

Finally by the end of September I recivered from the big 75% traffic drop caused by the 27th June screw up.

Got 100% recovered.

Does anyone experienced a similar recovery around that date?

In general I've seen much more relevant results for my -quite large- group of keywords

 

ascensions




msg:3109546
 2:35 pm on Oct 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

No I haven't. Google still broke.

tedster




msg:3109550
 2:39 pm on Oct 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Carlitos, did you take any particular steps to try to recover, or did you just wait and see Google return your rankings with no changes on your end?

Bluesplinter




msg:3110251
 9:48 pm on Oct 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

I got mine back, as well. Dropped on June 27th, back on Sept 30th. I didn't fluctuate any between those dates.

I had been working on making changes (and still am... I found quite a bit of link-rot, and I have NO meta descriptions), but none of the changes were posted by the time the rankings came back, so this was 100% on Google's side. The site they dropped in June is exactly the same site that's back now.

gabidi




msg:3110425
 1:31 am on Oct 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

I fully recovered on Aug 17th from the June 27th disaster.

Did some major mod re-write bug fixing, fixed robots.txt and focused on link building , content it's self was practically unchanged.

tflight




msg:3110439
 1:52 am on Oct 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

I fully recovered from the June 27 data refresh on Sept 16. I made no structural changes to the site during that time. However the recovery was short lived as I completely dropped again on Sept 30.

wanderingmind




msg:3110564
 5:41 am on Oct 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

I got my traffic back which I had lost on August 17th. Did nothing.

I expect it to go back to barren after exactly 4 weeks, with the next data refresh.

This would just mean that a few parameters are being turned up or down in every refresh, and sites cross a line and lose and gain rankings.

The next thing then would be to figure out what those parameters are.

In my case, I suspect they are similar/ same / no meta descriptions; a dupe content penalty to a 20-30 link 'related stories' box which was repeated across all stories in a section, occasional titles repeated in pages due to oversight.

Other potential suspects: Press releases published on the site (obviously not original), but as a news site, I need to keep press releases on the site, so I am not going to touch that.

jetteroheller




msg:3110824
 11:34 am on Oct 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

I recovered from June 27th on September 30

Many actions taken, see other thread.

Northstar




msg:3110827
 11:39 am on Oct 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

I recovered 120% on Sept. 29th. I hope it holds but I'm still sceptical. I did no real changes to the site.

[edited by: Northstar at 11:40 am (utc) on Oct. 6, 2006]

Wibfision




msg:3110838
 11:52 am on Oct 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

My site recovered from Jun 27th on July 28th, but bombed out again on September 30th. I have made no fundamental changes to the site in that time, just maintenance and writing more content.

Duplicate content is not an issue with my site as I write all the content. I'm hoping the site will recover with the next data refresh but who knows. I already have a 301 redirect in place from non www to www and unique meta tags.

AustrianOak




msg:3110840
 11:56 am on Oct 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Nope.. google is still broke when it comes to my site. Zero recovery from April 26th and June 27th disasters.

Congrats to those that have recovered and actually made no changes, proves that google is broke.

Alex70




msg:3110857
 12:11 pm on Oct 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

reseller,
isn't time to call for "your good friend googleguy" and ask an explanation on what is going on and if is it time to switch to searchmash.com? ; )

skweb




msg:3110961
 1:52 pm on Oct 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Recovered close to 100% and did nothing. Actually "pretended" that nothing happened and just worked on the website as always. However, during this period the website should have grown with all the new content - that did not happen and I am simply assuming that is due to competition.

egomaniac




msg:3111355
 6:54 pm on Oct 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

My site got hammered on June 27th.

On August 17th, 95% of my listings came back to "normal".

On September 17th, I lost my heavy competition 2-word phrase that my home page usuaally ranks about #3 or #4.

The past few days I am back for that phrase as well.

In late August, AFTER I recovered, I cleaned up my outbound links, deleting dead links and links to crappy websites. I've added a 2 new pages deep within the site, and that's about it.

From my viewpoint, my site has essentially recovered with little help from me though. The late August changes I made occurred after I recovered. Whether they helped the recent recovery to my home page keyword, I'll never know.

I have taken the attitude the last few years of trying to "Weather the Storm" whenever these hurricanes hit and not do anything drastic. Its generally worked for me as I have held top rankings in a competitive sector by sticking to my strategy of good content, well optimized, with good backlinks.

wanderingmind




msg:3111403
 7:32 pm on Oct 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

The fact that a site returns without any major changes being implemented coud mean one thing --

-- that there are elements in the site which trip a filter when its turned up or down a notch or two.

This doesnt mean tht your site is spammy. google's algo cannot be all-knowing, and it makes mistakes. So up to us to find those factors that get it to penalise your site and remove them. It might look like G is broken - after it is illogical that a normal site can rank at no 1 today and no 300 tomorrow and at 1 again after 30 days. But broken or not, I think its within our control to identify the problem areas which throw G off-track.

SAHover




msg:3112096
 2:21 pm on Oct 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

I also lost my traffic June 27 and recovered September 30. No changes were made.

leolapinos




msg:3113822
 9:11 am on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

i lost 30% in traffic on june 27th which I got recovered almost completely now. But hit me why this drop was caused because my site did not do anything that could make it illegible for SE sanctions.

Nevertheless it pushed me to see where seo could be improved. So all in all a good lesson.

Plus, and this is the best thing, I had started working on improving my adsense placements around the same period when the downfall took place. Nevertheless I managed increasing revenue and now that the traffic is back up where it used to be, things go well.

carlitos




msg:3116750
 1:35 pm on Oct 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

I did very little to my 10.000 pages website:
- removed the footer (same text in all pages -just to avoid google considering my site to have duplicated content-)
- removed some repeated internal links that were common in all pages.
- removed the adsense blocks related to firefox and picassa.
- even removed W3C compliance icons!... just in case!

Thats it.

But to be honest, I don't think an of those changes are related to the recent improvements in my SERPS.

My site is no spam whatsoever, has lots of good external deep links and has unique content. Why Google punished me during 3 months? ... no clue at all.

During those 3 months strange things happened: My site is in Spanish, for some of my most important keywords (in Spanish obviously), several Polish sites started to show up in the first page... something was definately rotten during this Google tweak. I hope it doesn't revert! ... really do!

KenB




msg:3116846
 2:34 pm on Oct 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

My site fell in Google's SERPs on July 27th, saw a two or three key phrase recovery on Aug. 17th, and then had a complete recovery (best I can tell) on Sept. 15th.

While I don't know that any of the things I did had any affect, here is a list of things I did do:

1) terminated some questionable advertisers;

2) corrected some 302 vs. 301 redirect issues I uncovered;

3) eliminated some potentially duplicate pages;

4) resolved some URL issues such that query strings could not be appended to URLs to prevent this from creating duplicate content.

Soze




msg:3117111
 5:21 pm on Oct 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

I see a big jump in traffic starting yesterday. Not sure if it is related.

tflight




msg:3117301
 8:08 pm on Oct 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

I see some large changes from yesterday as well. It hasn't impacted my traffic levels, but my rankings have flip-flopped. What was up is now down and what was down is now up. Net change: still in the dumps from the end of Sept data refresh (and June data refresh).

AustrianOak




msg:3117692
 3:17 am on Oct 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Congrats to everyone! I hope to join you all soon.. it's been a looooooooong 5+ months

tahiti




msg:3117887
 7:55 am on Oct 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

My site was hit on Sept 16 but there's no sign of coming back as you guys having here. during this update (which remain unnamed), i lost a handful number of top 3 spots. the site still rank in page one for a few of these keyphrase, while the rest are all in is page 3 or further down. :(

Within this period, changes i made are:
- redesign the whole website link structure and outlook. this is not due to the recent change of SE position but the site design is rather old. however the drop of the SE ranking do pushes me to work faster.

- buy lots of one way link. from what i see in the new SERP, it seems google is rewarding those who bought a number of site wide one way link. although i feel its a waste buying text links, but i cant deny the facts that my website is losing its ranking due to low amount of links. so what i did spend a few hundreds in buying homepage as well as site wide links.

- trim off reciprocal links. for one good whole week, all i did is send out notification mails and deleted ALL those unrelated reciprocal links.

till date, there's still no significant changes to my ranking. i am slightly worry that the sudden boost on my inbound link will make the situation worse but i guess i have nothing much to lose anymore. its good to have thread like this as it still gives me hope that my website might come back one day.

thanks.

ToyTalk




msg:3124499
 6:51 pm on Oct 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

After seeing all but my homepage disappear from Google's index in early August I have seen two recoveries, followed by two more disappearances.

Most recently I had 64 pages linked for a three-week period from the end of September, but that went down to just four pages 10 days ago.

I have done nothing to my site except add three or four news stories every week day. I am confident the pages will return to Google, but equally confident they will disappear again shortly afterwards until the underlying issue is sorted out.

bbqueen22




msg:3126033
 6:29 pm on Oct 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

I inherited a site that has been bouncing in and out on the top two key phrases since June or so, showing up erratically during 'the dance,' typically stabilizing for the first week or so of the month, then dropping out again as the month progresses.

Virtually every month I’ve been tweaking, but typically the same areas, but on just various groups of pages each month.

Still no success in avoiding the filter.

I think I’ve got it narrowed down to a few likely issues that are intervening in the filtering process:
1) site popularity filter
-PageRank // but not really… the new formula for the concept in use seems to (possibly?) be based on Google’s directory/ a modification of DMOZ, but a custom counterpart with up to date ‘popularity’ ranking. After a certain day of the month, if you haven’t made the popularity cut you are outta there – (around Monday, 10-9-06 this month for me)
-(so here is the confounding factor – it has to be the main keywords and phrases for the site, i.e. the keywords that match the category of listing in the Google directory – can anyone else concur on this?)(in fact, my bouncing inclusion pattern is only for the #1 phrase and it’s plural equivalent, i.e. my Google directory category; everything else is stable I believe)
-sort of an aside/ but another Popularity type issue – will syndicating in the Google Content Network help get me ‘officially’ gain popularity
2) sitewide spam filter
-as mentioned in an early post by wanderingmind – seems like a very bad idea to have any duplicate titles or key meta tags – short-cut flag to the duplicate content pile. So I’ve been working on this and just finished up the last few pages, but doesn’t seem to matter to this particular issue since I am still bouncing in and out
-I’ve also had to deal with a spam-laden footer – I finally was able to update it, but did a ton of writing first. So – I don’t think that was the problem….however, again, I’ve just done this for some, not all, pages
-Third idea – anyone have experience with comment tags and the impact? Are they truly ignored by Google? My inherited site has them on every page packed with keywords.

3) automated tool filter
-yes, I once erred and used WebPositionGold on the specific phrase (but I very, very rarely use the tool at all/ now I have my Google code plugged in). So maybe that is the problem. I don’t have much to compare this too.Seems weird that they could do this however – I am not technically the site owner)

Can anyone help me tease out the situation further? Thanks in advance.

tahiti




msg:3127888
 2:26 am on Oct 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

bbqueen22,

i cant really grasp the idea of 'site popularity' but the idea seems intersting. do you mind elaborate more? thanks.

bbqueen22




msg:3128358
 12:35 pm on Oct 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Tahiti,

Sorry to confuse - it is PageRank - but the accurate version of it, which seems findable in the Google directory.

You can browse it here:
[google.com...]

Check out the categories themselves - they will show the Pagerank order.

I say the accurate version - because for a long time I was relying on the toolbar. We lost a point, but it only shows in the directory, not the toolbar.

foodstyling




msg:3128467
 1:50 pm on Oct 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Mine was hit on June 27th, came back on in July and went again in August. The site slightly recovers (about 40% from the Google visitors), but on the other site it seems that I got a problem with my homepage, which lists far behind other pages from the site and much behind pages linking to it. (900th place with the search -www.mysite.com. And on top last night all images disappeared from google image search. Something must be wrong, or with my site, which had always ranked well in the serps, or with Google. I guess I have to wait for a next update.

Dayo_UK




msg:3128525
 2:17 pm on Oct 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

The directory lists a very very old version of Page Rank - 7+ months old.

Whether this figure has any impact on serps is unlikely - surely a more upto data and correct version is used.

(Not saying it is impossible - but directory PR is just a very old figure which G have not bothered apparently to update for a while (could be a base figure they use of course - but I personally feel that is unlikely))

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