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Backlinks and PR are updating
ryanare




msg:3101369
 3:55 am on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

This is to inform that Google update is now ON: Google backlink update. Hoping to see some good results again.

Ryan

 

trinorthlighting




msg:3114116
 2:29 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am seeing another push of back links and pr today...

hermosa




msg:3114221
 3:55 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

My index.html and home.html are still showing 5 for all data centres. But my other pages which were once 5 are now shoing 4 for most data centres. I have more links to inner pages and I have gradually added lots of content.
A client site that I just launched in July from scratch is already showing 4. Another site on which I did some work for the same owner is still showing 2 even though it's a much older site. A site on which I did a ton of work has now gone from 5 to 4 in most data centres after being a 5 for almost 2 years.

What the heck is going on?

I am still waiting for help on this one. Thanks.

Thaparian




msg:3114241
 4:14 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

My site's PR increased from 0 to 4, and backlinks increased like 10-12 days ago.

I am not seeing any more changes.

Untill now :-p

RichTC




msg:3114258
 4:30 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Hermonsa,

No one has answered your post because its been covered here zillions of times, you need to read the threads on Page Rank.

To sum up Page Rank is based on links TO the page from other sites.

The scale of the page rank as per the green tool bar 1-10 represents a snap shot of what the rank was at the time taken rounded to the nearest number. ie 511111111 may be 5 or 599999999 may be 5

If you get an inbound link from a site the value of that PR thats passed to you is a fraction of that pages total PR value. If the page carries more links the PR is divided further.

A link from a site at day one to your site may not pass on as much PR a year later if that page has added more links (hence weakening what it passes over to you) or has lost links to it or some other factor.

Also, a dampening filter may be passed on new back links hence you may not get the full benefit at day one.

So to conclude your problem, the fact that you have got new links from other sites doesnt mean that your own sites PR will increase overnight. It depends on what links they are, what sites they are from, how high the PR is for the page, how much of that PR is passed over to you etc etc. Sites that linked to you last year may not be passing over as much page rank as they did then.

If Your Home page was a PR5 and you have added more links to other pages on your own site then those pages will get less PR passed over. Hence why your internal pages may have reduced from 5s to 4s.
Likewise, your friends sites may go higher because links to them are from sites with less outbound links.

Hope this helps you understand your issue better

[edited by: RichTC at 4:32 pm (utc) on Oct. 9, 2006]

hermosa




msg:3114474
 6:36 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sites that linked to you last year may not be passing over as much page rank as they did then.

If Your Home page was a PR5 and you have added more links to other pages on your own site then those pages will get less PR passed over. Hence why your internal pages may have reduced from 5s to 4s.

Thank you. Most of this I knew. It looks like I solved one problem and ended up with another. A few months back I noticed Google wasn't crawling as deeply as it used to so some pages were disappearing from the indes. To make sure all important pages showed up, I did add quite a few more links to deeper pages to my homepage to force Google to crawl them. I guess they are now passing on less page rank.

Thanks for the explanation. I have now fixed the problem and removed about a dozen links to deeper pages from my home page. How long will this take to reverse the damage on a 5/10 ranked page. Do you think that Google will catch this during the current update or am I just too late?

econman




msg:3114640
 8:47 pm on Oct 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

My impression is that Google will probably recalculate the PR for your various pages within weeks after crawling the various links you are changing, once it has a chance to digest and analyze these changes.

However, there is a much longer 3-5 month lag between toolbar data updates, so, you won't see any resulting change in green pixels for as much as 8 mnonths after you try changing your internal link structure.

In the meantime, if you want to satisfy your curiosity try setting up a test: find a reasonably obscure 4 word phrase which is used on a page you want to promote or demote, check its current position in the SERPS, then monitor the page's position every week or so thereafter. I would guess that eventually you will start noticing your page moving up or down (depending on whether your goal was to increase the PR or decrease the PR of the particular page you are monitoring).

Of course, the whole exercise may end in frustration, since there are always so many other things going on, which may preclude a clear cause and effect pattern.

To help the odds of ending up with a meaningful test, you could try this with a couple of different equally obscure test phrases that appear on the page in question, and perhaps even try it with a couple of different pages. That way, the odds are a little lower of something extraneous happening right in the middle of your test that totally messes up your experiment.

hermosa




msg:3115020
 3:34 am on Oct 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

GREAT news. Believe it or not...it seems to be working already. I am not seeing any new caches just yet but the deeper pages that had gone all 4 are now shifting back for my site and the other site I have worked with that has been a 4 for 2 years. Here is what I did:

- drastically cut the cross-linking
- drastically removed the number of links from home.html to deeper pages
- changed the link from index.html to [mydomain.com...]
- I fixed the code so that my site's description shows and not Dmoz's

Since my friend's site links from mine, his site seems to be recovering too.

I'll keep you posted and see if this holds.

texasville




msg:3115031
 3:50 am on Oct 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well...it will be great when all this migrates to all dc's because that little green bar goes up and down like a gas gauge.

hermosa




msg:3115400
 1:01 pm on Oct 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

I checked with a tool that looks at a number of data centres and it's definitely coming back. The toolbars.quiereis results have not changed back yet and that is making me a little nervous.

petehall




msg:3115595
 3:48 pm on Oct 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing updated PR most of the time now in the UK.

hermosa




msg:3115669
 4:59 pm on Oct 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Now it's going back to almost all 4s on the 3 sites for almost all datacentres. Is it unusual for results to bounch around like this?

oaktown




msg:3115718
 5:44 pm on Oct 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've seen a lot of PR bounce today as well. seems like a lot of fluctuation to me.

LJCoolB




msg:3115800
 6:46 pm on Oct 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am seeing PR bounce all over the DCs for all the URLs I monitor.

Also experienced a huge drop in clickthrus from Google over the past 3 weeks. So I am watching this pretty closely right now. I think we lost a large portion of our supplementals (which I admit were dups caused by convoluted redirecting) from the index. But I can't prove it, since until a few days ago I wasn't really watching the supplementals.

Optimus




msg:3115943
 8:14 pm on Oct 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sudden changes on all datacenters for the terms I monitor - some of my primary terms up a couple of places in top 10, while some secondary terms down from top 10 serps. Tertiary terms stable at top 3 positions. See many newcomers in the lineups too - some deserve it...but unfortunately there are still tricksters and spammers around.

BL and PR updated all round - a gain in the first instance and loss of one PR in the second - bummer.

Almost a year to the day since google went belly up with their results - lets hope this is the start of a much needed remedy and not another symptom of an ongoing malady.

[edited by: Optimus at 8:32 pm (utc) on Oct. 10, 2006]

petehall




msg:3115960
 8:27 pm on Oct 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Optimus - can you supply an IP for us to look at?

Optimus




msg:3115974
 8:40 pm on Oct 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing changes on all the datacenters monitored by mcdar and on 66.102.7.104 and the others we've been watching.

The "related" or "similar" command results have also now rolled out across all the datacenters I watch...and these are a huge improvement IMO.

My sector is travel, so I am not sure if others are also seeing this.

[edited by: Optimus at 8:40 pm (utc) on Oct. 10, 2006]

RichTC




msg:3116072
 10:16 pm on Oct 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Im being served 66.102.9.104 where i am in the UK currently and the serps are superb, very clean, very fresh, look great.

Some new sites in but the authority sites holding great ground. Now i dont know if this is the same for all other data centres or not, earlier today i noticed that data was mixed the serps were wildly different depending on data centre.

It looks like PR and backlinks have been updated on the centre im seeing but its anyones guess if these are going to change again or indeed if we still have four different serps data sets operating elsewhere.

so far so good

petehall




msg:3117993
 10:23 am on Oct 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Rich do you still think 66.102.9.104 is as good?

My guess is no!

No updated PR anymore...

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