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Thinking of abandoning my links page
What are your views?
andrewshim

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Msg#: 3086507 posted 4:56 pm on Sep 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

I stopped looking for reciprocal linking about six months ago because :

- it took too much of my time
- difficult to track when a site removed my link
- can't control the reliability of the recip site.

Even after removing ALL but relevant links, I seem to have moved up the serps (currently #10) largely because of article marketing plus I think I have a fairly good site that people would want to link to on their own. This seems to point to the fact that I can do without any recip linking. What do you think?

 

trinorthlighting

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Msg#: 3086507 posted 7:28 pm on Sep 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

I find that writing press releases and submitting them to the press across the web are the best kind of links.

proboscis

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Msg#: 3086507 posted 9:09 pm on Sep 17, 2006 (gmt 0)


I'd do the same thing - stop trading links but leave the links page up with only related links on it.

Where do you submit your articles?

Where do you submit your press releases?

thegypsy

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Msg#: 3086507 posted 9:56 pm on Sep 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Here here Andrew...I commend you.

Now on to building organic BLs..oui?

SuddenlySara



 
Msg#: 3086507 posted 9:59 pm on Sep 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Just don't get rid of the good link partners and warn everybody what's up. Then maybe you will find some new link ideas as long as you warn everybody.

trinorthlighting

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Msg#: 3086507 posted 3:33 am on Sep 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

I release them to the local television, radio and newspaper. Typically I get a link from their sites. Also submit to pr web, etc....

KenB

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Msg#: 3086507 posted 3:39 am on Sep 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

Years ago (like in the 90s) I quit doing links pages. They are just way to difficult to keep up to date and users never really use them.

texasville

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Msg#: 3086507 posted 3:40 am on Sep 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have kept my links page on sites I manage but the only links on them are relevant to my visitors. As a service to them.
Article writing tho, I think does no more good. I have written a couple of articles that are now on several hundred websites in 5 languages. About half of them didn't give me the link back and all of them are supplemental with no page rank.

trinorthlighting

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Msg#: 3086507 posted 3:56 am on Sep 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sometimes writing articles (Like do it yourself type) and posting them to message boards or blogs work well also. We tend to write good and relevant articles and post them on various places on the web. Not blogspam but good and relevant information.

twebdonny



 
Msg#: 3086507 posted 4:57 am on Sep 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

<<<<Sometimes writing articles (Like do it yourself type) and posting them to message boards or blogs work well also>>>>

all this ever seems to do is create duped content, that of course Google will blame on you and most likely penalize you for such

CainIV

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Msg#: 3086507 posted 6:51 am on Sep 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

all this ever seems to do is create duped content, that of course Google will blame on you and most likely penalize you for such

Not at all, if you dont publish the exact same information verbatim on your own website.

Be very careful about how you publish content on your website and guard it well.

Then rewrite the same articles with the same information and distribute so that you are not penalized.

andrewshim

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Msg#: 3086507 posted 10:00 am on Sep 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

About half of them didn't give me the link back and all of them are supplemental with no page rank.

agreed. some sites I contacted refused to give me a link back. I don't think I can do much about these sites.

I HAVE read that article marketing will eventually lose its value (if it hasn't already), but when you don't have a budget for PPC and other paid ads, you do what you can.

What would be a good way to generate back-links and traffic then?

Quadrille

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Msg#: 3086507 posted 12:16 pm on Sep 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't think there's much doubt that most article farms offer little or no benefit to authors - but you, of course, help them and their adsense.

It may be that a few quality ones do justify the risks of duplicate content - but on balance, self publishing is much more likely to get visitors to your site, encourage links, and generally improve your ranking.

I am heavily biassed, however, as I believe that multiple clone articles simply clutters the web - and I wouldn't consider mixing my high quality articles ;) with the dross that populates most article farms :)

piatkow

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Msg#: 3086507 posted 12:39 pm on Sep 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

Depends on the nature of the site.

My site for a regional music magazine links to venues and performers in our geographical area and we benefit from links from national media as well as back links from some of the local venues.

Maintaining links pages is a pain but the topic of the site means that we feel obliged to maintain a directory for our area. I (mis)use the title tag to comment each link with the date when it was last checked. That makes life a lot easier as once a year I just run the mouse over the page and see what I need to check.

bwelford

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Msg#: 3086507 posted 1:29 pm on Sep 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

The key question to ask yourself is:
Is every item on this page useful to my typical human visitor?

Cut out every link where you are not sure or where it clearly is not useful.

If you're left with some links, then keep the page. Otherwise ditch the web page. If it isn't doing anything for your human visitors, then it's very unlikely to be doing anything useful for the SE spiders.

trinorthlighting

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Msg#: 3086507 posted 2:13 pm on Sep 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

We publish press releases on our site. It does not hit a duplicate filter. Any major company put press releases on their sites.

What it does is gives traffic and links. The publishing press releases on your own site is a myth.

andrewshim

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Msg#: 3086507 posted 1:09 am on Sep 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Cut out every link where you are not sure or where it clearly is not useful.

You know... the problem is I got caught in this recip linking thing because I believed some pretty savvy marketers. So... I cut all irrelevant links after informing them (it was a real pain-in-the-* job). Now I'm left with a handful of links which are relevant and which I will dutifully maintain because they return the favor.

I don't think there's much doubt that most article farms offer little or no benefit to authors - but you, of course, help them and their adsense.

I'm also finding out this is true. I started out with a long list of article sites (farms). Tried them all and found 85% to be cr@p. I know I'm taking a risk, but I'm still trying to get to first base. With only about 120 - 150 uniques a day, I already see a potential in earnings if I increase my uniques to at least 500.

So that brings me back to my question. If recip linking is dead and article marketing is on the same road, then what does a guy with NO budget for marketing do?

tedster

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Msg#: 3086507 posted 1:31 am on Sep 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

What does a guy with NO budget for marketing do?

Recip linking for the direct traffic it can bring still makes plenty of sense to me. I just don't see it giving the same ranking pop that it used to, but I also doubt that well mtched reciprocals are causing a problem. The original purpose of a link (pre-Google) WAS to get traffic, right?

Also, see this classic thread: Mostly Viral Top Traffic Alternatives to Search Engines [webmasterworld.com]

Quadrille

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Msg#: 3086507 posted 1:40 am on Sep 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Depends on your niche - and there are no easy answers, of course, but I'd go for:

1. Consistently build content - quality content - on your site.

2. Review all the free entry quality directories, and submit to all the ones that look good; a careful, compliant submission is time well invested

3. Be active in related newsgroups and forums - especially where a signature is allowed ;)

4. Consider your own forum or blog (or both), but remember that they take serious time to be remotely useful to visitors - or to you.

I'm sure others can chip in a few more ...

andrewshim

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Msg#: 3086507 posted 3:37 am on Sep 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Recip linking for the direct traffic it can bring still makes plenty of sense to me.

Are we talking about a recip link on a links page? If that's the case, does anyone really get any traffic worth talking about from such pages?
From the way things are right now, it would seem that recip links pages are 90% for ranking purposes. Am I wrong? Even then, I'm finding that after a recip link is established, the linking site either moves my link a couple of levels deep where it don't see light or they "accidentally" remove them!

Crush

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Msg#: 3086507 posted 6:27 am on Sep 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Still have 3rd party link directories and many many of them. We take any links and do not link directly from our good sites.

coosblues

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Msg#: 3086507 posted 6:38 am on Sep 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

I would suggest that before dropping your reciprocal links you let your link partners know what you are doing. I don't think anything urks a webmaster more than to have made a reciprocal link with a site only to find days, months, or even years later they dropped your site while your own site reaps the benefits on one way links.

andrewshim

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Msg#: 3086507 posted 7:00 am on Sep 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

3. Be active in related newsgroups and forums - especially where a signature is allowed

Has anyone really made much headway using signatures on forums?

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