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Will Purchasing Links Help Get my Site Indexed?
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curunir




msg:3078116
 4:31 pm on Sep 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi guys! Well, first of all, sorry for my English level (I'm writing from Spain).

Well, I have a new website, with about 30000 indexable pages (I update the Sitemap everyday) and I wonder if "high" PR links (5, 6, 7...) can help to index my whole site faster.

I've included my site in directories, I've made link exchanges... But I only have about one hundred pages in Google (site:miwebsite.com).

I want to index (all) the pages as soon as possible, so I've decided to buy text links. Am I right? Can this help me to index my website? How long would it take (consider the PR)? How many links must I buy?

My website is developed in Spanish. English websites links can help?

Thanks!

 

JeremyL




msg:3078269
 9:02 pm on Sep 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes, buying links can help but I would stick to related sites using the same language.

curunir




msg:3078275
 9:08 pm on Sep 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks for your answer. If I wanted to index a website with 20000 - 30000 pages, how many (and what values) high PR links must I buy? For example, one PR 6, or ten PR 5... I know this isn't easy, but I only want to know an orientative example.

Thanks again.

JeremyL




msg:3078290
 9:32 pm on Sep 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ignore PR. PR is dead, long live PR.

Instead, base your buy on the site being on topic and being of good quality. Remove the PR feature of your google toolbar now.

I would find 10 on topic, quality sites, of the same language and buy them.

[edited by: JeremyL at 9:33 pm (utc) on Sep. 10, 2006]

lfgoal




msg:3078977
 4:38 pm on Sep 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

"Ignore PR. PR is dead, long live PR"

I completely disagree. PR is no longer the be-all, end-all, but it can certain make a difference in ranking, in addition to indexing.

curunir




msg:3079315
 9:16 pm on Sep 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

So, what's correct? Do I watch PR or this value isn't important?

caveman




msg:3079351
 10:05 pm on Sep 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

IMO there is some truth to both points of view. PageRank may still be a good general indicator of a page's overall importance.

However, getting links not just from high PR pages, but from highly relevant pages, is critically important.

Best of all possible worlds: Get lots of links from all sorts of relavant pages/sites. If you focus mainly on PR, you will be at a competitive disadvantage.

confuscius




msg:3079377
 10:32 pm on Sep 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

Given the current state of the Google algorithm and the fact that EVERYONE is guessing as to what is really going on then buying links is no guarantee of anything - personally, I do not spend anything unles I am highly confident that I will see a return on my investment. Actually, thinking about it, the terms "link" and " lottery ticket" are probably synonyms at the moment.

jtara




msg:3079482
 12:24 am on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Buying links is the one sure way to - eventually - drop your rank to zero and get your domain permanently banned.

I'm sure Google is actively pursuing every means they can to discover links that are not natural, relevant links. For example, wanna bet whether Google (via proxy companies) are themselves a major buyer of links from such services?

Say, they sign-up with all the major services, multiple accounts per service, set up some sham MFA sites (to make it look "legit"), combine all the links (theirs, and the ones they bought) into a database.

Now, your site has too many hits in the database, you are history. Of course, if they find even ONE of their own sham-site links, you'd be gone sooner.

That's what I'd do if I were them, anyway. But, then again Google are a bunch of PhD eggheads, and they might not think like me...

ken_b




msg:3079491
 12:32 am on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Buying links is the one sure way to - eventually - drop your rank to zero and get your domain permanently banned.

What is your source for this information?

jtara




msg:3079506
 12:50 am on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

What is your source for this information?

Common sense. Something apparently in short supply...

Black-hat SEO (and buying links is certainly black-hat SEO) is a huge risk. The search engines are constantly expanding their bag of tricks for discovering black-hat SEO.

The big risk is that if you get caught, it is more likely than not that you then have a permanent ban, or at least one that is going to take one heck of a lot of good karma to reverse.

You may not get caught today - but as evidenced by the threads here full of moaning about wave after wave of updates that catch more and more in the net - you WILL get caught tomorrow.

phpdude




msg:3079508
 12:55 am on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Pay no attention to the Buying links is bad stuff.

Matt Cutts has said, worse case the links will not benefit you.

If you keep the "Advertising" you buy themed to your site. You wil be fine.

Buying links as advertisting is not Black Hat SEO.

Anything posted on this board is nothing but "ASSUMPTIONS" by the posters.

Read and use the stuff posted at your own risk.

ken_b




msg:3079510
 12:58 am on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

I doubt that paying for a few carefully selected links would cause a problem.

jtara




msg:3079583
 1:58 am on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

If you keep the "Advertising" you buy themed to your site. You wil be fine.

Buying links!= buying advertising.

I'd suggest visiting the SEO forum on this site, for some more-informed opinion.

youfoundjake




msg:3079626
 3:17 am on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

curunir
Welcome to webmasterworld.
From what little I understand from reading here at WebmasterWorld, it only takes one inbound link in order for the bots to find your site and start indexing it.
Having a sitemap definitely helps, but the most important factor is that your site, built primarily for the human visitors, can be spidered by the bots as well with a very easily navigational layout pointing deeper and deeper into your content.
Having Adsense and Adwords does not help get your site index any faster, and as you look over in the Google news forum, you will see alot of posts about sites getting indexed, then dropping 95% of the pages, only to come back another month later.
So what to take away from all this is to have at least 1 inbound link, and make the navigatation logical and easy to travel for bots and humans alike.
If you google spider simulator, there will be a list of sites that will look at your site like a bot and you'll see how they see your site.
You can also try an all text browser like lynx, thats' the closest you'll get to finding out how well the bots crawl your site, if you can do it in lynx, so can they.
Again, welcome to WebmasterWorld.

lfgoal




msg:3079629
 3:31 am on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

"Common sense. Something apparently in short supply... "

Nonsense is more like it. You can buy links all day long (it's called advertising). The burden is not on those who purchase links but on those who sell links as they may have their ability to pass reputation stripped (ability to pass PR stripped).

BigDave




msg:3079656
 4:12 am on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

What you need to do to speed up the indexing is to get more deep links, instead of links to your index page.

If all the incoming links are to the index page, googlebot has to find the links from your index page, which could take many months.

With a few strategic deep links, and good internal navigation, you can greatly speed up the process.

SuddenlySara




msg:3079670
 4:46 am on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Actually, I'm seeing some great PR updates right now and more pages indexed and being searched for and found right along with this.

PR is not dead.

CainIV




msg:3079719
 5:40 am on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

What is your source for this information?
Common sense. Something apparently in short supply...

Either I have been really lucky for about 5 years, or buying links has no effects on the banning of any of our sites. I would suspect the second choice is more accurate. Buying links is advertising, and websites would be banned left and right if all it took was placing links on a so called 'link seller' page.

lfgoal




msg:3079961
 12:14 pm on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Exactly, Cain.

Matt Cutts has said several times that those who SELL links risk losing the ability to pass PR. He's also said that IBL shouldn't hurt you. And, third, he's said that those who sell advertising should use "nofollow". Put those all together and it means the burden is on the link seller, not the link buyer.

jakegotmail




msg:3080025
 1:14 pm on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Jtara I completely diagree with your comments. The backbone of the web is links and until they COMPLETELY change the algo. and how pages are ranked buying "advertising", "links" what ever you want to call it on other relevant niche sites will only help.

Aforum




msg:3080034
 1:23 pm on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

IMO, buying links isn't your problem.

Well, I have a new website, with about 30000 indexable pages

I want to index (all) the pages as soon as possible,

That is.

tiori




msg:3080052
 1:40 pm on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Buying links is, (as several have said) buying advertising. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Buying too many links may not be good business sense. i.e. the cost.

However, it certainly won't hurt you.

reseller




msg:3080187
 3:09 pm on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

curunir

Have you also tried operator (site:www.miwebsite.com) to see whether part of your site is indexed under the www version too?

I agree with Aforum that the main problem would be uploading 30.000 pages without risking your site being sandboxed.

You may wish to view this thread Matt Cutts: Adding Too Many URLs Triggers A Flag! [webmasterworld.com]

ashear




msg:3080342
 4:49 pm on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Another word of caution, I would try and stick to home page ads only. Run of site media buys can be dangerous!

You are better off working a deal with a few bloggers to blog about your new site. You will get a better benefit from it!

ashear




msg:3080343
 4:49 pm on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Another word of caution, I would try and stick to home page ads only. Run of site media buys can be dangerous!

You are better off working a deal with a few bloggers to blog about your new site. You will get a better benefit from it!

jtara




msg:3080443
 6:23 pm on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Buying links is, (as several have said) buying advertising.

There seems to be some confusion here about the term "buying links". So, first, I think we have to go back to the original poster and ask, "what do you mean by that?"

To me, "buying links" isn't the same as advertising. Some here seem to be equating "buying links" with buying advertising through ad networks, such as Google Adwords, etc.

There are places where you can buy links - not advertisements - that will be put in spammy places. The sites where the links will be placed often exist for no other purpose than to hold links that hopefully will be crawled by search engines.

I still insist that buying those kind of links will ultimately be harmful to your site - if not now, then in the future.

jakegotmail




msg:3080463
 6:34 pm on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

do the grunt work yourself, buy your own links on relevant sites that will bring in relevant traffic.

stay away from sites that say they will give you 500 backlinks for 50/month kind of thing.

point the links to sub pages not just your homepage. IE deep links

if you do this then you should be fine.

oaktown




msg:3080521
 7:19 pm on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

If memory serves, somewhere on WW, long ago and far way, I remeber reading that G will never punish your site based on who links TO you. However, outbound links FROM your site to a site(s) that G considers a "bad neighborhood" carries very real risks, IMO.

1) Get links, if possible, from high PR authority sites whose themes are related to yours and are in the same language. The only reason I mention PR here is that authority sites tend to have good PR.

2) Don't be in a hurry. Build the number of links gradually, so that the process will seem "natural" to G (as though the webmasters of those sites had individually discovered your site and decided that it was of great value).

3) Try to get links from the homepage (assuming that page doesn't already have 100 outbound links) and point them to pages deep inside your site to draw the bots to your inner pages.

4) There's no great harm in buying links, as long as you do it judiciously. If there were, bad guys could wipe out their enemies by simply buying a bunch of links on a spammy site and pointing them to a competitor's site.

5) Don't get too excited about exchanging links. I am of the opinion that G has begun de-valuing reciprocal linking (to what degree? I have no idea).

Good luck to you.

Most of what I'm saying has already been said above, but i'm trying to encapsulate it for you.

curunir




msg:3080686
 9:11 pm on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks to everybody above, really. I watched what can be failing in my site, and I've found that my Sitemap file has 30000 URLs, so I reduced it to 5000 URLs. Is this right? (I supposed it would be easier for Google to index a smaller Sitemap file...)

Thanks again.

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