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Datacenter Watch: 2006-08-17
g1smd

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Msg#: 3051009 posted 9:52 pm on Aug 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

< continued from: [webmasterworld.com...] >

Stop looking at [64.233.187.104...] aka [gfe-jc.google.com...] when you should be looking at [gfe-eh.google.com...] aka [72.14.207.104...] instead...

On the latter DC there is a big cleanup of older Supplemental Results in progress.

[edited by: tedster at 3:53 am (utc) on Aug. 18, 2006]

 

g1smd

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Msg#: 3051009 posted 6:47 pm on Aug 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

The DC at http://64.233.187.104/ a.k.a. http://gfe-jc.google.com/ is being used by one engineeer who is experimenting with things.

Matt Cutts and GoogleGuy have already confirmed this multiple times in the last few days. See
[webmasterworld.com...] and
[webmasterworld.com...] and several others.

followgreg

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3051009 posted 8:14 am on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)


Seems to me that the guy is experimenting Spam + Wikicancer = top10 results - period :)

asusplay

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3051009 posted 3:06 pm on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)


System: The following message was spliced on to this thread from: http://www.webmasterworld.com/google/3065894.htm [webmasterworld.com] by tedster - 2:07 am on Aug. 31, 2006 (EDT -4)


I was checking for site:example.com to make sure there was nothing listed without the www (I had a major issue with this back in April) and to my knowledge this was long sorted out when I applied a www redirect on all pages, even though I have been suffering from the supplemental problem ever since.

However to my amazement I can see a lot of pages again that were indexed without the www. The datacentre that seems to be serving is 216.235.59.104 and seems to have really old data (cached versions go back to June 05), although lately it has been serving results from 72.14.207.104 which does not show any site: results without the www.

Anyone else experienced this?

Alex70

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3051009 posted 11:10 am on Sep 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

It seems that the engineer has stopped playing with [gfe-jc.google.com...]

Results:
Serp did not change at the end,
site: command is broken,
related:command looks different,
Bls are updated for what I can see.

reseller

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Msg#: 3051009 posted 9:32 pm on Sep 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Late night Google Datacenters Watching!

I see some movements across the DCs. Maybe its another Matt Cutts "Data Refresh" or another Adam Lasnik's "Bad Data Push". And who knows.. maybe we are lucky this time and its only a "Data Push" :-)

whitenight

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Msg#: 3051009 posted 7:19 pm on Sep 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hmm, Reseller must me in bed....

I see 72.14.207.104 spreading to 216.239.37.x-x ,

Enjoy the mayhem! :)

reseller

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Msg#: 3051009 posted 9:55 pm on Sep 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

whitenight

"Hmm, Reseller must me in bed...."

Not yet... but you can say that reseller on his way to bed :-)

However, can't see the serps of 72.14.207.104 spreading to these two DCs at least [216.239.37.104...] [216.239.37.99...]

Maybe we have to wait yet another 19 days to see that happening ;-)

Good night and God bless.

RichTC

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Msg#: 3051009 posted 8:45 am on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Google default .co.uk delivering 74.12.205.104 which was real ugly.

Deleted cookies etc, went back in to the default .co.uk and it was then delivering 64.233.183.104 very nice results.

Conclusion - is it fair to say that over the last few months we have been seeing different results delivered to different regions of the UK at the same time?

I find it amazing that a search in one data centre can return serps so radically different from another one - hope this isnt the start of things to come

Rich

reseller

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Msg#: 3051009 posted 11:56 am on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

RichTC

"I find it amazing that a search in one data centre can return serps so radically different from another one - hope this isnt the start of things to come"

Just keep in mind that we are approaching the end of September where things start happening :-)

g1smd

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Msg#: 3051009 posted 12:07 pm on Sep 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

There are at least 4 different vesions of their index spread across their many datacentres right now.

If you look at gfe-gv and then at gfe-eh you will see big differences. The data at gfe-eh has had a big change made to supplemental results just a few weeks ago. That change is now also on many other datacentres, but is still far from being on all.

See also: [webmasterworld.com...]

colin_h



 
Msg#: 3051009 posted 5:42 am on Sep 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Good day to everyone,

Has anyone got any theories as to the next update?

If I've been reading right, Reseller favours the Autumnal Equinox (Sept 21st) as a likely date.

I, myself, fancy the 27th Semptember as it is 3 months after the last big thing that happened to my site.

Let's get the old WebmasterWorld rumour mill going and see who gets it right ...

All the Best

Col :-)

montefin

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Msg#: 3051009 posted 8:24 am on Sep 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Earth's autumnal equinox in the Norther Hemisphere occurs when the sun appears to cross the celestial equator, from north to south (this year Saturday, Sept. 23, 2006 at 04:03 UT). That's Friday, Sept. 22, 21:03 PDT to those of us in California.

9 days to go and counting.

b2net

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3051009 posted 9:35 am on Sep 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

It will also be the first anniversary of September 22, 2005 (I've never fully recovered from that in terms of total earnings).

taps

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3051009 posted 9:54 am on Sep 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think Sep, 23rd will be the day. Wasn't it always a saturday?

Last year we lost all rankings due to dupe content problems. But we came back at Dec, 27th last year.

The last two weeks felt like driving roller coaster. Last Sunday and Monday (Sep. 3rd and 4th) we hit a all time high. This week all went back to normal and even a bit below.

Wait and see...

ltedesco

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3051009 posted 3:25 pm on Sep 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Matt Cutts said on his blog:

"there may still be some movement going on till Sept. 30th or so, but I wouldn’t expect it to be a ton of movement."

Now goes my question to all of you guys. Do you think your site will be back if you can not "expect it to be a ton of movement"?

My site is gone since June 27th, and I need Google to make a huge changes so I can have my traffic back, just small movements will not solve my problem. Should we have real hope about the next update?

jetteroheller

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Msg#: 3051009 posted 3:49 pm on Sep 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

My site is gone since June 27th, and I need Google to make a huge changes so I can have my traffic back, just small movements will not solve my problem. Should we have real hope about the next update?

When You stay at the edge of the Grand Canyon, a small step can bring You over the border.

So I think anything is possible.

Reminds me all on the joke

"Last year our company was on the edge of an abyss,
this year, we made a good step forward"

colin_h



 
Msg#: 3051009 posted 5:09 pm on Sep 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

... Should we have real hope about the next update?

Call me harsh, but I've yet to hear anything from Matt Cutts that either makes any sense or has any bearing on how my site is listed. Matt cannot state that there will ever be any big changes, mainly because that would be like saying that the last update was a failure.

All it takes is a tweak here and there and we're back, our main problem is that Google never seem to care about individual misery and therefore they are not in any rush to sort the problems out.

Just a quick, relatively unrelated matter ... I still see sites that I crammed with keywords and interlinking doorways (2002) at the top of 1/2 billion search terms. If Google were really out to catch the cheats, they would have picked these up very easily. The present changes are aimed at a far greater source of motivation for Google - Revenue ... & Good luck to them.

Just let me have my non-profit making site back on top ;-)

All the Best

Col :-)

g1smd

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Msg#: 3051009 posted 7:51 pm on Sep 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> I've yet to hear anything from Matt Cutts that either makes any sense or has any bearing on how my site is listed. <<

I didn't understand the Googlespeak for a very long time, but I now think that I fully understand the different types of "supplemental results" and the "many forms of duplicate content".

I also have a handle on how redirects and meta tags interact with their datasets. I also understand parts of their "you are linking to a bad neighbourhood" flag system, and have some insights as to how the various bits of data: titles, snippets, cache, etc are generated and independantly propagate to various datacentres.

There is much much more to still understand.

colin_h



 
Msg#: 3051009 posted 8:01 pm on Sep 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

hi g1smd,

Firstly let me say how much I enjoy reading your posts and the insights that they bring. I guess that we're going to have to agree to disagree on the subject of Matt Cutts and his cryptic guano.

From what I read of his blog, it seems to be all smoke and mirrors where actual help to webmasters is concerned. I'm sorry, but there are much easier ways of letting us know when the next update will happen and whether it's a major or a minor change that we can expect. That's all we want to know. I don't consider it a game and I have not got time to play with his half words and phrases, in the hope that it may lead to some kind of reality.

Let me end this by saying that if you ever rely on me for bread and butter, I will not starve you sadistically as Matt & by extention Google have done over the past 18 months.

All the best

Col :-)

AustrianOak

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Msg#: 3051009 posted 8:27 pm on Sep 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

colin_h, well put. Many of us are onboard.

reseller

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Msg#: 3051009 posted 7:40 am on Sep 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Folks

Would you be kind to test your keywords / Keyphrases on 72.14.207.--- and tell us whether you notice any change in ranking?

I'm not sure, but it seems there is little movement on the above new infrastructure DCs

mycutegoddess

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Msg#: 3051009 posted 8:05 am on Sep 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

I check my ranking every day by Default google.com (64.233.167.99) some keywords are within 100, but most are no where to be found.

So, I check my ranking again at the DC you mention above, and it return significant improvement in most keywords.

However, in this DC I can't see the Backlink Information Update.

whitenight

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3051009 posted 8:11 am on Sep 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Reseller,

I've seen that new infra on 72. also show up intermittently off and on at
216.239.53.104
216.239.57.104
216.239.63.104

for 10-20 minute periods over the past 24hrs.

As the unofficial president of the DC's watchers club, you probably notice this pattern.

"Update" starts with 2 "major" different data/algo sets.
and then the newest one (3rd) rolls on and off until it is finally established on all.
Rinse and repeat until the next update.

How long will it take? Hmm usually 2 weeks, right? Sounds about the end of summer, no?

reseller

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Msg#: 3051009 posted 8:16 am on Sep 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

mycutegoddess

Matt Cutts mentioned recently that BL/PR updates aren't a priority at the moment.

whitenight

It could be the signs of the forthcoming update on the new infrastructue DCs I mentioned.

But it could also be just another "Data Refresh" ;-)

Lets wait and see.

whitenight

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Msg#: 3051009 posted 8:20 am on Sep 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

It could be the signs of forthcoming update on the new infrastructue DCs I mentioned.

But it could also be just another "Data Refresh" ;-)

I think this "update" is indeed going to mild. And look much like the data refreshes of the past couple months.

I believe MC hinted at the same.

Wouldn't expect huge (depending on your site) shifts from what I've seen so far.

reseller

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Msg#: 3051009 posted 8:29 am on Sep 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

whitenight

Agreed. "Modern" Google updates are expected to be smooth gentle ones. Lets say a kind of "White Revolutions" compared to for example Update Allegra :-)

g1smd

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Msg#: 3051009 posted 11:43 am on Sep 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hmm, has Google got a new way of tracking searches?

For the #1 term, the link I clicked was for:

http://www.domain.com/topic/folder/pdfs/somefile.pdf#search=%22key
%20words%22

The indented #2 had the same thing too.

The "key words" were the words that I had used in my Google search.

.

Is it specific to some searches or sites, or is it specific to PDF results?

g1smd

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Msg#: 3051009 posted 11:54 am on Sep 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hmm, I repeated my search using "key words PDF" as the search term, and the tag appeared only on results that were PDF files, except for one PDF at #8 where it was missing.

It was not limited to the first site in the results but continued onto page 2 and beyond.

b2net

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3051009 posted 7:08 pm on Sep 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

For a minute there my default Google was coming from 66.102.9.104 and it used the new results which look out of date to me.

reseller

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Msg#: 3051009 posted 8:29 pm on Sep 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Good evening Folks

I see 72.14.207.--- back to normal, as far as my testing keyphrases are concerned. Better luck next time :-)

reseller

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Msg#: 3051009 posted 8:48 pm on Sep 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Oh man.. I had to go 4 pages back to find this thread :-)

Just to say there is some movement on the Mother of The New Infrastructure 72.14.207.104

Please check your testing key-words / key-phrases and tell us whether you see any changes.

Thanks!

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