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mattrix

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3044992 posted 9:37 pm on Aug 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi,

I launched a website towards the end of january this year and am still not appearing at all for keyword searches deemed competitive by google. The internal pages of the site are PR4 but the homepage is registering PR2 - judging by the linkbacks I have accumulated thus far I'm fairly confident the homepage will be PR5 at the next update.

My question is how results for these competitive keywords will change over time. At the moment I register no. 550 if I'm lucky and am sitting with sites which clearly are not even targeting the searched keywords.

So will google suddenly lift the lid and my traffic will double overnight, or will it gradually increase? I understand there may not be a concrete answer to this given that this new filter only appeared towards the end of last year.

Currently my traffic has been consistenly increasing and the site is being found purely by the virtue of how much content it has, the "net" so to speak.

I've read before that this aging effect lasts 6 - 8 months...

Any input would be appreciated

 

tahiti

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3044992 posted 3:27 am on Aug 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Mattrix,

All my websites took 8-10 months to crawl out and rank on Google.

To answer your question:
So will google suddenly lift the lid and my traffic will double overnight, or will it gradually increase?

From my experience, assuming that you do things right and the aging filter is the only drawback you are having, the ranking will be lifted up to page one/two overnight.... getting on to the top position might be a gradually process. Few sites of mine follow the same trend, first page results after 8-10 months, then it took another 4-6 months to get on top of the page (or it camp at the 8-15 place forever :( )

However, be clear that ranking do not equal to traffic. you might rank top but your traffic will not doubled if its not a 'high demand' keyphrase.

jaffstar

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3044992 posted 9:39 am on Aug 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

I launched a website towards the end of january this year and am still not appearing at all for keyword searches deemed competitive by google. The internal pages of the site are PR4 but the homepage is registering PR2 - judging by the linkbacks I have accumulated thus far I'm fairly confident the homepage will be PR5 at the next update.

Don't make the mistake of associating pagerank with rankings. Totally irrelevant!

So will google suddenly lift the lid and my traffic will double overnight, or will it gradually increase? I understand there may not be a concrete answer to this given that this new filter only appeared towards the end of last year.

Firslty, there is no aging filter IMHO. You should be driving quality links to your site over time, and your ranking should gradually increase, with increased ranking, you should have increased traffic. When you make it top 10, you will see a great improvement.

mattrix

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3044992 posted 12:19 pm on Aug 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Let me start by saying thanks for the input guys!

Firslty, there is no aging filter IMHO. You should be driving quality links to your site over time, and your ranking should gradually increase, with increased ranking, you should have increased traffic. When you make it top 10, you will see a great improvement.

I have heard that an aging filter is in place from many sources and have experienced it directly myself. For example, I have compared my website with another in a similar field - when we both compete for a search on a new piece of content my website can show in the top 10 and often above this other website. On a search which contains a competitive keyword, however, my website will post around no. 150 and the other website will show up in the top 5. Also, the pages I am surrounded by that far down in the SERPS won't even have the keywords next to each in the text.

Don't make the mistake of associating pagerank with rankings. Totally irrelevant!

I agree, though not to the level of complete irrelevance - I always see pagerank as a necessary but definitely not sufficient condition.

From my experience, assuming that you do things right and the aging filter is the only drawback you are having, the ranking will be lifted up to page one/two overnight.... getting on to the top position might be a gradually process. Few sites of mine follow the same trend, first page results after 8-10 months, then it took another 4-6 months to get on top of the page (or it camp at the 8-15 place forever :( )

This is good news. When did the site you are referring to first get cached by Google?

jrs_66

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3044992 posted 12:19 pm on Aug 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

My site was started in November. I've been getting a decent amount of traffic from google, none yet on the big, money searches however. This i have expected would be the case.

I'm in the exact PR situation as you... Homepage remains a PR2 (and hasn't been affected by the last two PR updates), inner pages are PR4 and PR3. It appears that all sites started between mid october and the Feb update are in this boat. The common 'wisdom' around here is not to worry about the green bar, Google updates PR continualy. This logic assumes, even though green bar is broke, internal PR calculations are still working... this is a stretch. Has Big Daddy been able to succesfully perform PR computations? This is up in the air... so I don't know if I'm being credited for the serious amounts of good, solid links I've been building. Much of my content is supplemental and Googlebot crawling has been weak.

As for the age filter... Yes Google may not have an age filter, but... Google does have a link age dampening factor, which is what newer sites are up against.

Are you dealing with a serious supplemental problem?

tahiti

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3044992 posted 3:08 am on Aug 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

Matrixx, cant answer your question because i normally dont keep tracks. what i normally do is create a website, buy few links, and forget about the stats/google/traffics ...etc. i just focus on the content and link building on the first 6-8 months ...just felt its meaningless to study on the stats for the starting stage. this is for me, but i am sure lots of expert out there might not agree and can do much better since day one the site being hosted up.

abacuss

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3044992 posted 1:16 pm on Aug 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Matrixx first you check whether you are listed in the supplemental result then check is there any errors on the page. HTML validator and header response check will be fine.

Apart from that you just need to wait, it may be anytime when you will really rank well for that keyword which you are targetting.

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