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New Google 2 KW Term Filter
a checklist
Rugles




msg:3024084
 12:53 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

My Summary

Ok, here are the related factors to what I am referring to as the "new google 2 kw filter", until somebody can come up with another name.

- 2 kw term
- used to rank very high, now vanished
- with " "'s returns to high rank
- does not affect rankings for other terms on same site
- home page involved
- only happens on google, still rank high on Y/MSN
- appears on only specific but changing data centers
- long standing site
-?

..... what else would you add to the list, please keep it simple and short

 

leeds1




msg:3024296
 3:01 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

home page MIA for these terms - not just a ranking drop

home page AOK for all other terms

(actually just realisng, I have a forum home page that
has gone MIA *within* the site)

Ride45




msg:3024299
 3:02 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

- Excessive backlinks with the same anchor text being penalized for the search term that uses the anchor text.

Rugles




msg:3024354
 3:28 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>- Excessive backlinks with the same anchor text being penalized for the search term that uses the anchor text.

Do you think it includes links from outside of the affected site? Or just within the affected site?

berrysharpie




msg:3024455
 4:14 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

It looks like our site is suffering the same symptoms.

- Home page involved
- Without quotes main keywords gone.
- With quotes, main keywords appear in normal positions.
- Ranking fine on MSN/Yahoo
- Allintitle, Allinanchor each have us where we always have been.
- 6 year old site
- Up until yesterday morning (7/26) we were at least still holding on to some of the DC's. Yesterday morning however, we vanished from all DC's. Other change that occured yesterday morning was that the NOODP tag finally started working. *scratches head*
- Clean site.
- No purchasing of links.

One thing that really bothers me is that competitors have similar titles, etc and not affected at all by this. No one else is budging under the keywords we typically track. Just us, again.

Think thats pretty much it.

Berry

synergy




msg:3024489
 4:38 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Looks like my site is caught up in this as well.

- 2 kw term.
- Was ranked #2 out of 515 million.
- With " "'s returns to high rank.
- Does not affect rankings for other terms on same site.
- Home page involved.
- Only missing in Google.
- On the web for 3 years.
- No ODP tag in place

[edited by: synergy at 4:50 pm (utc) on July 27, 2006]

Kneek




msg:3024497
 4:46 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have exactly the same, except that this site is only 5 months old. The page that dropped is pretty optimised.

Rugles




msg:3024517
 4:53 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>>One thing that really bothers me is that competitors have similar titles

That was my concern as of yesterday, but today, one of my main competitors is now suffering under the same filter.

So this filter is morphing and adjusting.

<soon you to will be under its spell bbbaaaaaaaahhaaaaaaaa (read with scary voice)>

berrysharpie




msg:3024532
 5:00 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

hahahaha... nice.. i heard the scary voice!

Checked again under my keywords and I don't think my competitors have heard your scary voice yet. Yell louder!

FrostyMug




msg:3024506
 4:49 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)


System: The following message was spliced on to this thread from: http://www.webmasterworld.com/google/3024504.htm [webmasterworld.com] by engine - 6:34 pm on July 27, 2006 (utc +1)


Logged in this am on computer, and I'm seeing a ton of searches from Google, everything is back, the site: search in Google is back, the homepage is #1 again.

Supplementals are still there, i'm going to upload the google sitemap again, that seemed to fix the supp. problem the last time.

I have detailed keyword logs back to 8am this morning, and it's already recovered by then, last night around 12 midnight it was still the old story.

Who's recovering as well? Please post the good/bad news!

macman23




msg:3024541
 5:08 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)


System: The following message was spliced on to this thread from: http://www.webmasterworld.com/google/3024539.htm [webmasterworld.com] by engine - 6:35 pm on July 27, 2006 (utc +1)


One of my two main sites that dropped in Google's search results on June 27 is back where it used to be. The other site (my largest site) still has yet to bounce back.

The "site: ..." command now shows the main URL first for the site that came back. The other site still lists pages in a seemingly random order when I use the site command.

wheel




msg:3024624
 6:03 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Two things that may be related. First see Asianne's post in this thread:
[webmasterworld.com...]
Interesting set of diagnostics.

Secondly, for some reason - perhaps unrelated - I see two distinct snippets for my listings. When I do a 'site:www.domain.com' I get a snipett that I'd expect to see. When I do "keyword1 keyword2" inside quotes so my site reappears in the serps, the snippet is not the same - in fact the snippet for that listing is the navigation listing at the bottom of my homepage!

i.e. the snippet shows up as:
www.domain.com - home page1 page2 page3

bizarre.

Personally I'm going to let it settle out. If nothing changes in a week or so I'll take some of the onpage optimization stuff off.

foolsgold




msg:3024714
 7:07 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ride45

"Excessive backlinks with the same anchor text being penalized for the search term that uses the anchor text".

I doubt it, too easy to stick sitewides/excessive backlinks on a competitor and watch them sink!

Of course, this may be the case and is only tremporary. One of our sites is still MIA showing all signs as listed above and we have done no big link work on this term.

Ride45




msg:3024723
 7:13 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am referring to paying for links on external sites..
You probably wouldn't want to pay for a back link to screw your competitor. Those links get pricy especially on sites that "can" potentially influence your ranking.
It appears as though many sites in my sector that are:

a) Buying text links on external sites
b) Using the same anchor text
c) Ammassed a number of backlinks in a relatively short period of time

....are being hit with a filter.

But I don't think this analysis is totally new, just something that was more obvious and apparent within my sector today.

Rugles




msg:3024747
 7:26 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>a) Buying text links on external sites
>>b) Using the same anchor text
>>c) Ammassed a number of backlinks in a relatively short period of time

None of that applies to me.

nancyb




msg:3024791
 7:46 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am seeing changes in kw1 kw2 serps but ... not reverting back to the old previously listed sites. Instead the new results, today, show another different set of listings, meaning the old consistently high ranked sites plus the newer listings starting 6/27 or so are both gone!

Sometime yesterday I started seeing a few kw1 kw2 kw3 results that disappeared but with ""s they are as expected.

The commonality I see is where kw1 kw2 -or- kw1 kw2 kw3 were ranked consistently over time (last 6 mos to 1 year) in the first 5 results - and- were very competitive terms. Les competitive 2 or 3 kw phrases that ranked #1-#5 remain in tact.

In one very competitive kw1 kw2 search today, 9 of the top ten are some form of price comparison site or auction/mall site.

microlinx




msg:3024804
 7:53 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Wow!

The quotes " " with keywords shows my previous high ranks too!
My site is 7 years old, now getting "news" sites containing keywords in headlines ranking above mine.

I agree with the wait and see attitude.
The results that are there now really stink. Dup sites, link farms, no content.

microlinx




msg:3024815
 7:59 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Check out seo chat article entiled : "Google Cracks down on Arbitragers" This may be the whole reason...and it's about time!

The forum won't allow me to post the link...those of you who know which site I'm referring to, go there and check the Search engine news, posted 7/25 - by Terri Wells

[edited by: microlinx at 8:06 pm (utc) on July 27, 2006]

nutsandbolts




msg:3024831
 8:22 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Absolutely seeing what you describe Rugles - on a few sites from 99 and 2000 too. Nightmare city.

steveb




msg:3024840
 8:27 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

"- 2 kw term"

Why two words mentioned? Three word searches just as likely to have the phenomenon.

" - does not affect rankings for other terms on same site"

Doesn't effect ranking of same *page* for different terms

"- home page involved"

Irrelevant. Nothing to do with home page. Subpages just as likely to be involved.

Phenomenon is years old, but far more widespread since the various screwups the past month.

selomelo




msg:3024841
 8:27 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

One of my sites used to drive traffic through a 3kw phrase. Beginning with June, it became to drive more traffic through the 2kw version than 3kw phrase.

Most of my IBLs have the 3KW version (kw1 kw2 kw3). And, the position of 3kw version started to decline, while the 2kw version (kw1 omitted, i.e., kw2 + kw3) climbed to top 5.

I think that the theory of excessive optimization filter (for anchor texts in IBLs) have a point here.

Rugles




msg:3024847
 8:29 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Steve

Are you suggesting you have noticed this exact kind of thing in the past?

steveb




msg:3024858
 8:39 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes, except the "reappearing in quotes" part.

JoeSinkwitz




msg:3024875
 8:55 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Rugles,

This happened last month if you look into the datawatch thread around June 14th I believe; back then, to a lesser extent, some sites were disappearing, but would reappear with the "" -- it lasted 2-3 days.

As for a name, how about reverse osmosis SEO? With as many filters as seem to be in play, it's as good as any. :)

Cygnus

kevinpate




msg:3024909
 9:19 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

noticed this this morning on a kw1 kw2 search ... root level index page still indexed, but not showing anywhere in top several pages on a kw1 kw2 search, though showed where typicaqlly found on both "kw1 kw2" and when combined kw1 kw2 kw3

Seemed to only be the root index after making some other checks on the site and now, even the root index appears back where I typically find it (pg1, slot 3-7)
Hopefully, it'll still be there when next I peek as well.

synergy




msg:3024947
 9:42 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

This happened last month if you look into the datawatch thread around June 14th I believe; back then, to a lesser extent, some sites were disappearing, but would reappear with the "" -- it lasted 2-3 days.

This makes me wonder if they are folding last months updates in with new updates to be live in a few days. Many people are saying in another thread that they are showing rank again after being gone since June 27th. Is it a coincidence that today is the 27th and 30 days have passed since the last major roll?

The results that are showing right now in my sector actually look pretty darn good, aside from the fact that my authority site is MIA. There is a good mix of all the major commerce sites as well as relevant informational authorities.

I have not been affected by an update in a negative way since Florida, Nov. 2003. As you can imagine going completely missing raises a big question mark. I'm not worried yet, it's much too early to speculate.

idolw




msg:3024951
 9:55 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

i have one page on my site with that problem.
3 KW search term.

microlinx




msg:3025048
 10:55 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Google Dance is on again...I am seeing more changes across datacenters as of about 5pm CST, July 27 2006.

3bees




msg:3025109
 11:47 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

well something is on - pretty much every datacenter are reflecting the change and the serps are pretty much going with allinanchor at the moment - suggesting that they have reset all the centers to the same and maybe about to roll something through as its unusal in my experience to see allinanchor = serps

alternatively this is an update finito & i'll have to start selling 2nd hand newspapers again :(

also the filter is just not for 2 kw terms but individual kws as well as i have seen big drops for single for one of my sites which has been well ranked for several years (nice clean site)

it looks like the beginning of something or another stuff up sensu june 27

Rugles




msg:3025126
 12:17 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

The filter is lifted for me for the first time in 80 hours or so. Hope it is gone for good.

I was not aware that it happened last month. Could be because it did not affect me. How long did it last back then?

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