homepage Welcome to WebmasterWorld Guest from 54.237.184.242
register, free tools, login, search, pro membership, help, library, announcements, recent posts, open posts,
Become a Pro Member
Visit PubCon.com
Home / Forums Index / Google / Google SEO News and Discussion
Forum Library, Charter, Moderators: Robert Charlton & aakk9999 & brotherhood of lan & goodroi

Google SEO News and Discussion Forum

This 205 message thread spans 7 pages: < < 205 ( 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 > >     
Possible Shift in Google-Webmasters Communication Policy!
Have Googlers stopped announcing updates and posting weather reports?
reseller




msg:3022280
 7:00 am on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Folks,

I have noticed in recent months a remarkable shift in the way Google employees communicate with the webmasters communities.

For one reason or the other the Googlers have stopped posting weather reports about the new infrastructure. No more posts explaining critical changes on the serps. No more talking about specific DCs as they use to do. No more chat when it comes to Google serps and possible changes which are so clear and obvious to even novice webmasters. The only thing we have been hearing is the famous "Data Refresh".

Of course, one of the reasons for the shift in Google's communication policy mightbe the continuous trouble the Googles are into since the deploy of BigDaddy.. "if you have no good news..keep quite".

If its true that the Googlers have decided not to talk to us anymore about the serps, DCs and possible filters, algo changes and announcing possible updates. Do those same Googlers deserve to be invited anymore to the webmasters conferences and meetings, for example?

What will be the consequences of Google shift in Google-Webmasters communication policy?

Many thanks in advance for your contributions to the thread.

 

colin_h




msg:3025049
 10:55 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I can't believe Reseller has gone to bed already ... give us a sign, old wise one ;-)

IMHO (again), the old timers are far more important to this forum's dynamic than any interaction with the Google mainstream. However, my respect goes out to Reseller for making Googleguy re-appear (Almost uncanny some might say).

Col :-)

[edited by: colin_h at 11:00 pm (utc) on July 27, 2006]

Atomic




msg:3025050
 10:56 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Do you blame them rich? If you owned google is that not what you would do?

What? And turn his back on ethics?

incrediBILL




msg:3025074
 11:09 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I hope Google takes down all your names and turns you all away at the Google Dance in August just for being such pains ;)

colin_h




msg:3025075
 11:10 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Nothing to lose Bill, I sold my business in January. I just blame Google and will stay here until they ban me from speaking.

p.s love your blogspot

unreviewed




msg:3025140
 12:42 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Mr. Cutts, my name is Bill Dalton.

Please look at result 4 and 5 for the query … cheap scrubs … I think you will find it interesting. You may also search on 72.14.207.104, but any handy data center will do.

P.S. to trinorthlighting, please see,
[dictionary.reference.com...]

AustrianOak




msg:3025160
 12:59 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

unreviewed, perfect! smiles smiles smiles

incrediBILL




msg:3025171
 1:18 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

That's priceless - looks like Google will index anything.

montefin




msg:3025175
 1:23 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Welcome back, GoogleGuy.

If you haven't noticed, just a mere appearance on your part reduces the anxiety level around here, and restores the possibilities for more productive dialogue.

P.S. I particularly like your use of the word "evergreen". It's positively calming for perhaps what are the most irksome elements of all processes under continuous development.

steveb




msg:3025176
 1:26 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I normally don't like the violating of the forum charter by dropping terms, but I don't see the results for that search as weird, but what is VERY weird on that search on 72.14.207.104 is the sixth result... which gets that multi-listing, extra result thingee that previously only showed for the #1 result for any search.

Pirates




msg:3025206
 2:12 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well its pretty common knowledge the original GoogleGuy everyone loved. Everyone else trying to follow suffers a tough task.

I think GoogleGuy is a bit like "James Bond", you will never beat Sean Connery (Matt Cutts) the Original. So you have to accept whatever google throws at us next even if its George Lazenby (Adam).

Atomic




msg:3025215
 2:26 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

So just showing up is the interaction Reseller seeks? You're looking for a weather report and told late in the summer, perhaps two months away. And you're pleased by that response? Interesting...I like some meat on my bones.

unreviewed




msg:3025216
 2:26 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Quote “I normally don't like the violating of the forum charter by dropping terms”

I understand that, but sometimes if a post fits, it sticks, time will tell.

Lorel




msg:3025241
 2:40 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I had a positive experience with Google Adsense the other day after reporting a site breaking several of their rules and at the same time damaging a client's keyword rank. They wrote back and told me they appreciated all the report(S) I've been sending in lately and they would look into that one shortly, i.e., they not only are reading the reports they remembered that I had sent in several. It usually takes a week but the sites I report are either removed from Google's index or their effect on my client is removed so while they usually don't send a personal reply that doesn't mean they aren't working behind the scenes on our behalf.

Stop telling people to "check their sites" like they don't know what they are doing. People are sick and tired of hearing it when the site in question has ranked high for years and its not "bad coding".

This attitude reminds me of someone who contacted me for a job lately. I turned him down after checking out the sites he redesigned that were full of validation errors, deprecated code and inadequate use of CSS. What was his response when I pointed it out? WHAT? I'm not wasting my time with that!

Atomic




msg:3025372
 5:43 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

This attitude reminds me of someone who contacted me for a job lately. I turned him down after checking out the sites he redesigned that were full of validation errors, deprecated code and inadequate use of CSS. What was his response when I pointed it out? WHAT? I'm not wasting my time with that!

So from this experience you reason that what? That everyone that complains hasn't validated their code? This is hardly a strong argument. Frankly it irritates those of us that do validate our code and are CSS divas. Sure, many of my sites have weathered the storm Google's unleashed upon us but some haven't and they are coded well, validate and a couple are pretty big in size with TV, newspaper and radio ads driving traffic to it. There are tremendous amounts of incoming links because the site has tons of useful data.

So when I hear of this one personal anecdote that is supposed to poo-poo anyone hurt by Google blundering you bet I'll point out the falacious reasoning. Maybe you just got lucky. This time.

[edited by: Atomic at 5:45 am (utc) on July 28, 2006]

MattCutts




msg:3025376
 5:46 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

reseller, I take your point that several folks would like to hear more specifics about datacenters, data refreshes, and weather forecasts. I talk about some of that on my site, but I can certainly keep it in mind and try to discuss stuff like that more often.

[edited by: MattCutts at 5:51 am (utc) on July 28, 2006]

reseller




msg:3025382
 5:52 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Good morning Folks
Good morning GoogleGuy

I guess I was on target when I wrote in a previous post (#:3023966) on this thread the following few lines:

"IMO, the golden days of Google-Webmasters communications were the days of our kind member GoogleGuy (GG). He was very helpful, friendly and most important tolerant to critic (and bashing). GG was always there when we needed him. Q&A of GG were very popular indeed. And most of us looked at GG as part of our webmasters community, rather than as only a Google employee."

And this thread is an excellent example of a successful Google-Webmasters communications. Thanks to to you all for great contributions and thanks a bunch to GoogleGuy for taking the time to contribute to the thread.

GoogleGuy asked us Let me turn it around: how could we do better?.

Lets us be creative and come up with few constructive suggestions for improving Google-Webmasters communications.

Here is my contribution:

- More frequent weather reports (interim weather reports are most welcome too).

- Availability of Googlers on webmasters forums to answer questions.

- GoogleGuy/Googlers Q&A sessions

- Place and procedure to report problems. Sitemaps could be a possibility.
Just wish to mention that in the past, GoogleGuy use to give us specific email to use in reporting problems.

and of course I can continue, but prefer to leave for other kind members the opprtunity to contribute with few creative suggestions.

Wish you all a great day.

MattCutts




msg:3025387
 5:56 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

This is Matt Cutts posting instead of GG. I take your point and hopped over to confirm an images update in a different thread. I think you're getting up as I'm going to bed, reseller. :)

MattCutts




msg:3025389
 5:57 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Maybe it's time to do a miscellaneous question thread on my site, too?

reseller




msg:3025390
 5:57 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Good morning Matt

Very generous of you to take the time to visit us and post feedback. Highly appreciated!

" reseller, I take your point that several folks would like to hear more specifics about datacenters, data refreshes, and weather forecasts. I talk about some of that on my site, but I can certainly keep it in mind and try to discuss stuff like that more often."

Yes, Matt. That is exactly what the majority of us wish to see. You have done a great job on your blog at the beginning of BigDaddy, and we wish to see you continue on that great path. :-)

"I think you're getting up as I'm going to bed, reseller. :) "

I guess you are right again. Wish you good night and God bless.

Kirby




msg:3025395
 6:01 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hard to make sense of this stuff Matt. SERPS dancing, interior pages showing instead of the more authoritative pages, and google returning both www and non-www pages.

MattCutts




msg:3025402
 6:15 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

We must be in diametrically opposed time zones, reseller. I'm always leaving the room when you're entering it, or vice versa. :)

Kirby, summer is a time when it's easier to deploy new infrastructure, because less people are searching. At the WebmasterWorld conference in Boston I put up a PowerPoint slide to illustrate how tough it would be to be a dedicated data center watcher, because of the different things going on at different places. My point was that I think many people will watch individual data centers less and less over time.

But I sometimes forget how much many people *do* monitor data centers to see what they can figure out.

I'm gonna head to bed--talk to folks later.

[edited by: MattCutts at 6:16 am (utc) on July 28, 2006]

incrediBILL




msg:3025412
 6:43 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Matt, don't be such an old lady, we're in the same time zone and it's not even midnight.

You and I both know REAL programmers never go to bed before 3am...

arubicus




msg:3025414
 6:46 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

MattCutts

Great to see you on this side of the fence!

A little positive feedback. I have noticed that our site has slowly been making a come back. Earlier this month we actually got to see some visible PR show up in that little green bar. Links started to appear for internal pages as well as showing FROM internal pages. This is a better sign for us - I don't care about rankings I will take what we get naturally - I just want to see us fully indexed. This was our first real hiccup we have ever experienced and it was a doozy.

Just wondering when should we expect another refresh. Also how often are backlinks updated now - are they calculated on a regular basis as Gbot finds them. I know pages seem to add on a continuous basis and if that is true what is the purpose of a data refresh? Is it more of heaftier/complete calculation of factors/data cleanup or what?

Also there has been issues about 301's lately. Especially www and no-www. Are 301's working as they should? On an older established sites one worry is redirecting non-www to www or vice versa may have adverse effects. Do you see any possibility of adverse effects with older sites and the www/non-www redirects? Cearing this up would definately knock out much worry as a possible cause. It seems to come up over and over again.

[edited by: arubicus at 7:02 am (utc) on July 28, 2006]

Atomic




msg:3025415
 6:48 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Bill, are you saying you sleep at all? Imagine how much you could get done if you cranked it up a notch.

whitenight




msg:3025426
 7:21 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Maybe it's time to do a miscellaneous question thread on my site, too?

No offense Matt, But as someone who detest censorship, I'd prefer you did the Q&A on a site where you do not have full ablility to delete posts.

On your blog, you can do whatever you want. But I've seen far too many non-offensive questions/comments get deleted over there.

Don't feel like answering on a "neutral" board, that's fine too.
But deleting legitimate posts scores low points for me for the "open communication" PR campaign you are currently promoting....

incrediBILL




msg:3025433
 7:38 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

On your blog, you can do whatever you want. But I've seen far too many non-offensive questions/comments get deleted over there.

Matt hasn't deleted any of my obnoxious posts to the best of my knowledge so he can't be THAT big of a censor. However, define neutral ground, WebmasterWorld and other forums delete posts too, so it's going to be filtered just about anywhere.

whitenight




msg:3025439
 7:49 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

to the best of my knowledge

exactly....to best of your knowledge

define neutral ground

"a site where you do not have full ablility to delete posts."

WebmasterWorld and other forums delete posts too, so it's going to be filtered

Posts on WW don't get deleted simply because they are "obnoxious".
As I said originally, non-offensive posts get deleted or simply never "approved" (whatever you want to call it).

I'm not going to get into a big argument about it. It's simply a request. Matt's a big boy. I'm sure he can speak for himself.

johnyfav




msg:3025455
 8:05 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Matt Cutts and Googleguy in the same thread....?

It's like seeing Clark Kent and Superman in the same bar.....

whitenight




msg:3025460
 8:14 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Except Clark just went off to get drinks when Superman appeared.
When Clark comes back with the drinks, Superman will have left to use the restroom.
It's funny like that. ;)

soapystar




msg:3025533
 9:43 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Matt Cutts and Googleguy in the same thread....?
It's like seeing Clark Kent and Superman in the same bar.....

You stole my line!

reseller




msg:3025567
 10:19 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Folks

Back to the subject of this thread ;-)

While we have the attention of GG and Matt. Do you have any suggestions to improve Google-Webmasters communications?

Just to "inspire" you, I wish to mention one og the great things that Brett and GG had arranged in the past:

Questions for GoogleGuy [webmasterworld.com].

Some Q&A answers
GoogleGuy answers some questions from last week..
[webmasterworld.com]

Thanks!

This 205 message thread spans 7 pages: < < 205 ( 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 > >
Global Options:
 top home search open messages active posts  
 

Home / Forums Index / Google / Google SEO News and Discussion
rss feed

All trademarks and copyrights held by respective owners. Member comments are owned by the poster.
Home ¦ Free Tools ¦ Terms of Service ¦ Privacy Policy ¦ Report Problem ¦ About ¦ Library ¦ Newsletter
WebmasterWorld is a Developer Shed Community owned by Jim Boykin.
© Webmaster World 1996-2014 all rights reserved