| 1:44 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
The club keeps getting bigger.
Anyone find a solution yet?
| 1:49 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
What does it mean if your shows up for "red widgets" number 1 or 2 but for red widgets without quotes nowhere to be found?
I saw this happen to my site three weeks back then SERPs reverted back to normal after a few days, now these SERPs come back this morning. Funny thing is, my GG traffic is up because of more 3/4 word hits.
| 1:54 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
This happened to you 3 weeks ago Dancin'?
I thought this was a brand new development. Ya, my traffic is not really suffering yet, because I rank for thousands of terms. I am just afraid this filter is going to expand.
Where is GoogleGuy when you need him?
| 1:55 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
GG is working on his blog as usual....u didnt know?
| 2:00 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I'm in the club as well for gfe-ro etc. datacenters, experiencing the very same problem of Cygnus.
Ranked 1st for years for a very, very competitive term "Blue Widgets" (having a site with domain "WidgetsWorld.Com" and the words "Blue Widgets" in the title), I'm now the only URL disappeared from the first 10 positions (and I'm nowhere for that search term).
I mean to say that the other 9 sites showing on the 1st page for "Blue Widgets" were not affected by this filter, but me (the remaining 9 sites are: one affiliation site, i.e. adding no additional content, and the remaining 8, very good and respectable competitors).
I'm anyway getting the same good ranking if I search "Blue Widgets" with the quotations signs. As all of you.
BUT: while displaying my good ranking with quotation, the site appear with an old ODP title (we have been removed from ODP a few days ago, but Google is still getting the old title anyway).
Of course I have already put the noodp tag and I'll wait for the bot to spider the page, but my point is: is anyone, experiencing this microfilter problem, facing ODP titles/descriptions problems **as well**?
As you see I'm trying to figure out the common features of all the cases we are listing here... may be a problem with a "onlyodp" type or behaviour?
| 2:02 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Are you sure you don't mean back on June 14th? That's when we saw it happening before, but like you said, it was resolved within 2 days (more or less).
The club is indeed growing, but I'm really no longer apart of the club. Whatever filtration was occuring for me was lifted (I'm still operating under the pretences that it might come back at some point this week), and now people are disappearing across all datacenters (I can't verify this, just reposting from above comments) versus that group of 11 datacenters at the peak on Monday.
I do wonder if what people are seeing now is a followup datapush, as reseller points out may be the case, or if they are just applying a different filter now in order to isolate a different problem -- if you come back with the "", it's a filter...temporary or permanent is what we aim to figure out.
I'll keep an eye out for any trends and chime in again if I see anything.
| 2:06 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Not everyone had the ODP issue; I didn't and am now back. Maybe that's the remaining filter (along with the geographic filter) still remaining.
Anyone with the ODP title change issue come back yet?
| 2:11 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Another strange sign, just noticed on Mcdar:
Another site of mines, raking steadly #2 for months is now disappeared from the datacenters we are talking about (the ones with the filter problem) but, at the same time, jumped first for the remaining good ranking ones.
So, while we are disappearing on gfe-ro etc., we are improving ranking on the non-microfiltered datacenters.
Could be a sign that more than one filter is being applied, one pushing in one direction and the other one in the opposite direction?
PS: the site that ranked first was clearly spam and never removed for months and months. Clearly a sign of spam cleaning filter
| 2:17 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I never had the noodp tag.
My homepage has been taken out of the
rankings just for the top 2 comp. phrases.
All others AOK
When searching "only from UK" I am as before
Just google.com etc
I implemented the noodp tag yesterday because
it had nothing to do with my KWs
| 2:27 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
No change to my situation still page 1 on my title term and disappeared for the rest of them. Is anyone else seeing any change in the number of pages on the terms that have disappeared. The terms for me where I have been taken right off the index is showing an increase of about 20 mill pages. Don't know if this is a factor but thought I would mention it.
| 2:33 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I don't like any of these new data centers lol.
| 2:37 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
|Are you sure you don't mean back on June 14th? That's when we saw it happening before, but like you said, it was resolved within 2 days (more or less). |
Yep it may have been then, it was over the weekend and come Monday I was in my normal postion without quotes.
| 2:42 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Did another check for my keywords across the DC's.
- DC's across the board have dropped our primary keywords. Up until this morning, we were still holding on to some of the DC's.
- ALL keywords show up properly when I put the "" on.
- Allinanchor, Allintitle both show our keywords with & without "".
- ODP tag took effect sometime over the night. I put the tag up about 7 days ago.
| 3:29 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
My site has been #1 for our main keyword phrase for 3 years. The ODP title matches that keyword phrase. Since the rotation of this filter into the datacenters we have disappeared completely for the phrase unless using "", allinanchor. As this is an obdvious glitch I feel it won't stick and will be resolved.
| 4:10 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
"Welcome to the club Reseller.
Does your site come back to 1 or 2 with quotes around the search term?"
It wasn't my site, but a site I'm keeping an eye on ;-)
And yes, with quotes around the search phrase, the site comes back. Talking about BigDaddy miracles, I guess :-)
| 4:43 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
>>Does your site come back to 1 or 2 with quotes around the search term?"
I suspect this new filter is having unintended consequences, because it does seem half-baked. Just wish we would hear from Google on this matter.
| 4:47 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
It seems giuliorapetti, OrganicPop and I (and whoever else I missed) are all experiencing a very similar ODP-title-kw problem. We may be seeing a trend with at least one of the microfilters. I also added the noodp tag yesterday. I am waiting to see if it has any effect.
giuliorapetti, does your site reappear if you search USA sites only (assuming you are in the US)?
| 4:49 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
"Just wish we would hear from Google on this matter."
I doubt it. Therefore my todays thread:
Possible Shift in Google-Webmasters Communication Policy! [webmasterworld.com]
| 5:31 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I think the ODP issue is a red herring. Like others, we have a website affected by this micro-filtering. However, like JoeSinkwitz, the keyword phrase is NOT the same as the ODP title. Assuming the ODP title was "Super Green Widgets" then we've disappeared for "green widgets" but still rank for "super green widgets".
From the discussion about "USA only" search results, I would've assumed it was some sort of geolocation filter, except that there are some other websites ranking well for "green widgets" with IPs NOT based in the US, so if there is some sort of geolocation filtering, then it certaintly isn't consistent.
So my bet is that it's just a bug as ClintFC writes here [webmasterworld.com]
On the other hand, why would this bug would only affect specific keyword searches?
[edited by: Umbra at 5:34 pm (utc) on July 26, 2006]
| 5:41 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
"giuliorapetti, does your site reappear if you search USA sites only (assuming you are in the US)?"
Yes, exactly. This is something I forgot to mention.
If I search "pages from US" I'm holding tight in the 1st position as usual...
| 5:43 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
>>>why would this bug would only affect specific keyword searches?
Its not a bug, it is some sort filter.
I think it may be triggered by keyword density. On the paid side somebody suggested it is an over-optimization filter.
| 5:50 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
"keyword density" in what section of the page?
We have analyzed that as well, perfectly inline with all the other "9 players" of the first page of results, which are now orphans of our 1st ranked site...
And I mean keyword density in title, meta tags, body of the page etc.
Nothing out of the parameters...
Other ideas? :-)
| 6:05 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Agreed, keyword density isn't an issue anymore - One of our competitors has something close to 12%! Yep you heard me...
Quote:"At KW1 company with do KW2 and KW3. We have years of experience in KW2 and KW3. KW1 is a great opportunity for KW3 buyers ....and yadyadya...."
These guys are still on page one for their main "KW1" and rising up to the first page for "KW2" for the past week, unbelievable....
You see, no KW density applies....
And I don't even talk about backlinks in the like of "KW1 for K-W-2 or KW-3" ...I mean a mess, but it seems to work.
As far as I can tell results in quotations were keeping this type of guys off -
Also, until a couple of weeks ago I didn't see much spam or text link buyers (yet some) as I see now.
It actually surprises me to see so abvious text link buying rising up. There must be a way of filtering this.
| 6:09 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
>>>"keyword density" in what section of the page?
I wish I knew. I have made some adjustments to see if I can wiggle my way out of this filter.
It has to be on page stuff, as opposed to external anchor text or something along those lines.
| 6:12 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I am not involved in text link buying at all. The only web advertising I use is Adwords and Overture/Yahoo.
It has to be on page stuff.
| 7:15 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
After 8 years my site has totally vanished with some competitive terms. Quotes bring the site back.
Rugles have you seen any relationship between Adwords and the use of quotes or no quotes for the keyword?
| 7:28 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I do buy the term, however I am very low on the list. I move up as the day goes as other people's budget gets used up.
So, if my tweaking does not fix the issue, maybe I sould delete the term from Adwords. <makes me think all kinds of conspriracy stuff>
Amazing how big this club is getting. Plus how many long standing sites are getting wiped out.
| 7:59 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Here is my situation:
# dmoz title IS keyword phrase (not appearing for after 3 years of ranking)
# keyword density for the phrase 24% (site is all about subject matter so doesn't necessarily mean it needs keyword phrase high density, imo)
# allinanchor, "" #1
# past experiences: site (homepage) did the same thing app. 8 months ago as a missed crawl (not downtime), reappeared 3 weeks later.
Hope this helps
| 8:02 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
You mentioned...Assuming the ODP title was "Super Green Widgets" then we've disappeared for "green widgets" but still rank for "super green widgets".
For my sites, the microfilter has only affected my 2 KW terms. My 3 KW terms are normal. I was wondering if this is consistant with you, giuliorapetti, or anyone else experienceing similar issues. I am looking for any consistencies so I can start breaking this thing down.
Answer to a previous post: One of my sites that was affected does not use Adwords, Overture, or any kind of paid advertising. It has ranked in the top 5 for a long time under a very competitive 2 KW term.
| 8:06 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
>>2 KW terms
Mine is a 2 KW term.
Anyone else have anything other than 2 KW term?
| 8:13 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)|
The phrase I lost and then regained was a 2 KW phrase (not in dmoz, no geographic issues).
The ODP connection continues to be quite curious; one thing those of you that got hit can do is take the dmoz directory where your site is listed, and methodically print out the top 100 for the phrases you think a filter might be occuring on. If the "" consistently is showing more of the dmoz sites, then it is a definite filter, and one that I really do think they'll get a handle on.
Sorry this is still going on for you guys (and gals). I'm looking forward to hearing back from those of you that applied the NOODP tag and see success over the next few days.
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