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Datacenter Watch: 2006-07-21

 11:38 am on Jul 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

In the past two upheavals by Google (8th March 2006 & June 27th 2006)it has been apparent that the changes have been roughly accross the board, with the obvious exception of the DC.

The DC seems to use the same cache dates as the other DC's and has the same amount of supplemental pages also, and yet somehow it has ignored any penalties that have been applied to the other DC's and gives treats my site as though nothing were wrong.

Any idea what the purpose of this DC could be?

All the Best

Col :-)

[edited by: tedster at 7:46 pm (utc) on July 21, 2006]



 7:19 am on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

To check for sites listed only in the USA, go to Google’s main page (or any of the datacenters). Then click on the "language tools" url on the right side of the search box. Type in your search term and choose "Search pages located in: United States". The results will show normal pre data refresh results. I just checked and this is still happening to my site that disappeared. My site is now gone from most of the DCs, but choosing the option mentioned above seems to bring it back on all that I have tested. Please let us know if anyone is seeing the same thing.



 7:29 am on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Doesn't do anything to bring back June 27th lost pages (other than the meaningless correct ordering via a site: search), but does alter the results enormously.


 7:36 am on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks for checking steveb. My site wasn't dropped until this last data refresh (July 21st)so we may be experienceing different issues with Google. Hopefully we can all get to the bottom of this.


 7:53 am on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Some more interesting info...when I select "Search pages located in: United States", my rank returns but my site title and description are coming from DMOZ. Otherwise, I am gone from most of the DCs now. This is getting more rediculous.



 8:07 am on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

for me it *appears* to be that my
home page has vanished -- but only
for a few search terms.

it's there for the allins
it's there for smaller terms
it's there for site:

just not the biggies


 8:27 am on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

same here, home page showing for some search trerms and completely disappeard for others ( more competitive )...keywords


 8:40 am on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

"Typically my pages would also rank #1 for allinanchor, allintitle, allinurl and allintext."

Im seeing the same issue. The block of data centres with this new filter have almost killed off a quaility site of ours, if those data centres roll out over the network its lights out for one of our sites, meanwhile loads of spam and junk rise to the top - Just when i thought Google serps couldnt get any worse!

Its an absolute joke frankly. We have a dedicated page for example thats about "blue widgets in Widgetville". The Page has links on it to Blue widgets elsewhere and the page details about blue widgets in widgetville, the page tile contains the phrase "Blue widgets in Widgetville", after all thats what the page is about! and the pages have internal and external links again involving the phrase. These kinds of pages have been smashed - Yet they are about the subject matter and an authority on the subject!

What do google want surfers to see? It looks like they want serps that are not directly 100% about the subject matter - is this filter yet another mad idea of googles to push adwords?


 9:47 am on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Must be a fair chance that this next data refresh that Matt referred to on 9th July as being 2-3 weeks away happening this week.

Wonder if this will screw things up worse or we will see some improvements?


 10:38 am on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes...the current google either only cares about micro anti seo or cannot get its macro filters working. Either way what started in September last year appears to be the same focus to date, nearly one year on. Very puzzling.


 10:41 am on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

"Either way what started in September last year appears to be the same focus to date, nearly one year on. Very puzzling. "
spot on.


 10:43 am on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

and get your kicks on route 27/10/06....................


 10:44 am on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Except the date.

18 months+ is the true timeframe - although lots of sites did get hit last Sept.


 11:00 am on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

When you refer to seeing results at, say, gfe-cw, for example, are you searching using the full gfe-cw.google.com domain name, or just using the IP address?

Have you compared both; are there any differences to be seen?


 11:17 am on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Have you compared both; are there any differences to be seen?

no difference to be seen for phrases i am watching



 12:59 pm on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Can someone explain me the difference between allinanchor and inanchor?

I see our major site on page 1 for inanchor and page 2 for allinanchor, while the SERP tends to be similar to allinanchor (we're on page 2).

Though I find the SERP quality lower (slightly) with allinanchor!

BTW: I just looked at and that's quite a garbage :), very spammy IMO (not 100% of course, but quite full of content spam)


 1:22 pm on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>>Without quotes though, the home page is gone.

Wow, woke up this morn, and I am experiencing the same thing. Everything was normal yesterday. I have been number one for months for a very competitive keyword. This morning I am wiped out for this term without quotes.

I am completely puzzled.

Anyone else notice a sudden change in the last 12 hours only?


 1:32 pm on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)


When I refer to gfe-cw, like I do again below, I am doing a quick query directly to gfe-cw.google.com. The reason I'm doing this is because going directly to the IPs on that datablock for whatever reason bypasses the filter. Thus, yes, there are differences as far as I can tell in my own searches.

What is almost important to note is that the datacenters with the filter will have the same number of results, so it is exactly the same filtered query result, versus what seems to be roughly 6-7 ok datasets floating about the other DCs.

It is also encouraging to see more people chiming in with their high allintitle / nowhere to be found issue. There has to be something to it. Whether it is the micro-SEO filter like mentioned a few posts above or a screwy macro-filter, I wish I could say. Even more, I hope GG or Adam is reading this thread and making the appropriate recommendations to fix this.

6am my time; the filter has again spread out:

Another day of following a microfilter and trying to figure out why it even exists in the first place, and then, how to get around it.



 1:36 pm on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>>6am my time; the filter has again spread out:

Well that expains why I am just seeing it this morning.


 1:45 pm on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)


It seems that if I set it to "United States" only, my site does show up for all the keywords that are now vanished without the "United States". Dunno what that is telling me though. I don't show when it counts!

Dayo put things a little more in perspective... There defintiely have been many updates but things have been pretty much hell for my site since Feb, 05. Before that, the site sat quietly in its position without any problems. Updates, data refreshes, dumps, whatever they want to call them, it seems that since Feb 05, we have been caught up in the majority of them.

Still not much promising changes on the DC's as of this morning. Index page gone from main keyword searches while the rest of the site still looks untouched.



 2:30 pm on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi all

Been following this topic for the last 2 days and thought it was time I chipped in. Yesterday my site lost its high paying keywords but my home page is no.2 for allinanchor, allintitle, allinurl.

The thing is if you select pages from uk they are back to the normal results so my situation is the same as a lot of people here.

I am however still on the same position for 1 search term which is my domain name. which is a 4 word search term.

for all my other keywords I have dissappeared not even appearing on the listing when 2 days ago I was on page one. Is there anything that I can do to try and stop this filter affecting the site?



 2:33 pm on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Just an update this is only happening on 1 of my sites the other sites are totally unaffected. I just don't understand. Going to go and look at the changes that have been made on that site over the last week and will post later if I came to any conclusions.



 2:37 pm on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

looks like big time spamers start vanishing from big money KW's ,good job Google.


 2:42 pm on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think a lot of us here that are going through this are not spammers. I am not seeing spam vanishing really from the SERPS yet. Maybe it's where I am looking.


 2:45 pm on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

1st page on a very competitive search on my sector show 3 spam websites in first 5 positions!


 3:06 pm on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

More and more people are posting with high allins that are being filtered out; over-optimization filter? I'm still thinking the allintitle is key there, as it pertains to very close matching to the query. Sounds silly given that it didn't seem to target spam and instead targeted mostly WH stuff (and more important, only relevant stuff)...hope they realize that.

Okay, 8am Cygnus time; the following DC blocks now have the microfilters (slight expansion, but contains no "new" DCs that weren't affected at some point yesterday):



 3:08 pm on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't say that fellow webmasters are spamers and there is lot of spam yet at the top of the SERPS ,but finally in a couple of DC's a big spamer is remooved to the third page (wish was remooved from the index but probably they hold asses in there sleeves;),I can sticky the URL if anyone is interested.


 3:15 pm on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well that is promising news toothache. Maybe it will stick! At this point though, my feelings are doubtful.


 4:03 pm on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Except the date.
18 months+ is the true timeframe - although lots of sites did get hit last Sept.

Except from September its been of a different nature. It almost seems like an AI approach with a self learning algo. Its a continual sifting, very much like sifting for gold in a pan. Each sift catches more and more pages perhaps totally based on the last sift. Just pure specualtion of course. However its the continual and gradual removal of pages thats the difference. Before that there was an update and that was it. You got hit or you didnt.


 4:38 pm on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> toothake: I would love to be able to say the same.

From where I stand it is exactly the opposite. Spammers that were sent back to page X about a few months ago are kinda back and sticking around.

The funny thing is that when searching with "quotations" I don't find so many spammers...anyone any idea?
I don't get it :)

(not that our biggest site is back with quotation or anything whatsoever unfortunately)


 4:38 pm on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>>I think a lot of us here that are going through this are not spammers.

The site I am referring to is not spam, not at all. A full-on e-commerce site with thousands of products and tonnes of information.


 4:51 pm on Jul 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hey, did you guys notice there is no option of "language tools" to selec only sites in the USA on the gfe-cw.google.com datacenter?

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