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Big drop in Google ranking - June 27?
from first page PG to dust speck in the distance
Armande




msg:3016927
 8:37 am on Jul 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

My Dutch content site seems to have suffered a big drop in Google ranking. This must have happened a few weeks ago.
Several of my articles did really well, PR in the first 5 hits, or at least on the first page. Now they have dropped several pages. At first I thought I must have been blacklisted or so but I can't think why. The only thing I could come up with was that I added alt texts to a few images on the site. I can easily change that of course.

I looked into it and I cannot find the reason at all. I signed up for google sitemaps but it does not report any errors or faux pas'.

So I don't know where to look now. Any input very much appreciated!

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ashear




msg:3029339
 9:55 pm on Jul 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

After the responces from Matt earlier today I am very curious to see the percentage of people having problems after the 27th with extremly large sites.

What types of counts are you getting?

RichTC




msg:3029377
 10:30 pm on Jul 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

"After the responces from Matt earlier today I am very curious to see the percentage of people having problems after the 27th with extremly large sites".

Is that 27th December? LOL

Frankly, positions in the SERPS have been a yoyo since BD was introduced - We are now in the "Everflux" decade! imo.

The last time i noticed the majority of data centres all serving SERPs that positioned your site in a similar position for your keywords that were stable for a reasonable amount of time was over a year ago now.

Gawd knows how we arrived here, but some of our sites have seen dedicated specialist authority pages move from 4 to 9 to 65 to 45 to 32 to 8 within a six week period!. We have seen 5 different sets of data centres serve and position an authority page 1, 8, 18, 27 & 32 respectively - now you tell me thats the old google of delivering the most relevent page to the search string - its not its about increasing adwords revenue.

Despite this, I genuinely think that Google is not broken, they like it this way and the issues of canonicals, 301s etc just add to the mix. As i posted the other day googles profits this year are up, so one could argue that this messed up index is in fact a very shrewd move on googles behalf - whos the mug here?

RandomOne




msg:3029711
 7:16 am on Aug 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yep pretty damn bad here. Lost lots of traffic - not a big site however about 57 pages but use to do well. Hopefully this doesn't last, but I'm inclined to agree things have been bad for over a year and they just get worse!

Sunnyvale




msg:3029731
 7:54 am on Aug 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

No idea what happened July 27th...one of my competitors was hit as well, but recovered. Still taking a dirt nap on my main keywords. On the bright side I still rank on secondary terms. The 27th seems to be a bad day. I just finished a stay in the abyss from April 27th to June 27th...one month of recovery and back to Kraft Dinner.

[edited by: Sunnyvale at 7:56 am (utc) on Aug. 1, 2006]

3bees




msg:3029994
 12:33 pm on Aug 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

July 27 still stinks for me though there has been some slight improvement for some terms

i would like to know what type of sites and how big they are have been effected

are they large or small sites, forums, directories online stores or information sites with original content, galleries - is there a common thread among the sites effected?

i had a wallpaper site with several hundered pages disappear and just come back - it was mainly reciprocal link exchanges but some natural links

another forum / directory site dropped from many number 1 - 5 type of positions then come back up a bit for many terms - the forum is in a subdomain and would have hundreds of pages but the directory isn't that big - but it has great organically developed links

doughayman




msg:3030102
 2:09 pm on Aug 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Not sure what is going on. I was 1st page for many terms for over 2 years, and now I have completely vanished for some 2-word terms in all but 20 of <an online tool's> servers. However, this number seems to fluctuate from 15-25, depending on the instance of check. This leads me to believe that re-indexing is still in a state of flux, and is still currently in progress.

I'll occassionally appear for these 2-word-terms in my local google.com server, so that's why I think it's not over yet.

Traffic is way down, and semi-panic has set in. Google surely doesn't owe me anything, but a little forewarning would have been nice :)

Anyone else have any comments on the above?

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[edited by: tedster at 12:59 am (utc) on Sep. 2, 2006]

Alex70




msg:3030138
 2:31 pm on Aug 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm in exactley the same situation. Is your site doing better at 72.14.207.104 as this should be the most accurate DC.

doughayman




msg:3030179
 2:54 pm on Aug 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Alex,

My 2-word-term does not show up on this server, but my 3+ keyword terms do, as they do on most of the MCDAR servers.

Funny, but on this server (72.14.207.104), the amount of spam from a particular subdomain spammer is much more prevalent here, for the keywords that I am checking. Actually, it's a bit out of control.

What makes you believe that this server is the one to look at?

Doug

Alex70




msg:3030190
 3:01 pm on Aug 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

read the post from googleguy here [webmasterworld.com...]

Sunnyvale




msg:3030386
 5:20 pm on Aug 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

I seemed to have recovered today. My guess is this was a glitch.

doughayman




msg:3030397
 5:30 pm on Aug 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Not me, still in the doldrums here.

Soze




msg:3030439
 5:59 pm on Aug 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

My site was about 150 pages and doing well. July 27th comes along and then I get shafted.

opifex




msg:3030501
 6:45 pm on Aug 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Toook my time on checking all my stats. There are several domains involved! I did note that the page rankings for some the the "trash pages" had remained where they were and that other pages had dropped in their ranking with no affect in number of visits. The trash pages that rose in ranking are in a business director ... they no longer have any content, description meta or key words and are a temporary redirect to another page in the same site. Also noted that the page ranking DOES NOT coincide with the in-site rankings ,,,, strange. Google does continue to be the Number 1 referer. Almost senseless. But overall, my sites and my clients' sites appear to be unaffected by this anomally.

Sunnyvale




msg:3030552
 7:28 pm on Aug 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Spoke too soon, my site was back in between 11th and 6th position, but it is off the radar again to a July 27th position. It was a fleeing few hours of happiness.

Lorel




msg:3030558
 7:30 pm on Aug 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

For those affected by a drop in rank...

Search for your business name. If you are not ranking at the top of the SERPs where you should be then look at the directories with your title in their title? are they ranking abnormally high for your title? Search for the other words in your title and see if they rank for those also. If so, check them out further.

I have one client site affected by "scraper directories" that put his title in their title which includes his city and state so that he won't rank for any words in that title now which are allllllll of his major keywords.

There are two tactics I've seen:

One is to take every word in the title and set up a separate page featuring this site under a different keyword and doing this on several pages with no link to the site.

The other tactic is to use the title, description and keywords of the ste about 6 times on the page and also in the alt or comment tags and again no link to the site.

I have managed to get whole domains removed who play this game by first writing to them and then Google Adsense policy violation (they usually use Adsense) and then reporting them to Google Spam and Yahoo Spam, MSN feedback, etc. and if that doesn't work then report them to their host. If they host their own site report them to internic and their domain registrar and report any illegal activities and how it has affected your site. Also let other sites listed there know what you found so they can report them also. It may help to report them to Yahoo Directory or DMOZ if they are listed there but I haven't tried that yet as the other reporting usually takes care of it in about a week or two.

Soon as those pages disappear your rank should come back barring other problems.

bluesaga




msg:3030578
 7:57 pm on Aug 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

first off im new here, hey!

Second, i own a large website and am experiancing very similar but not exactly the same results. My largest website was ranking very highly for:

"Game Name" Cheats
e.g

"Halo 2 Cheats"
"Sims 2 Cheats"
"Runescape Cheats"
"San Andreas Cheats"
"Fable Cheats"

Ive never had a problem with these keywords, for well over a year and a half now, they have fluctuated but never dropped much either way...

On the 26th/27th i lost ranks for literally THOUSANDS of keywords alike the above... However, a keyword i have been attempting to rank well in since i started out on the internet "Cheats" i now rank 4th for, whereas before i didnt rank on the top 4 pages.... Coincidence? I think not!

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danijel




msg:3030806
 10:53 pm on Aug 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Here's my situation:
mysite.com (7 months old, wordpress blog, server located in Sweden, but site is targeted on the US market)
- around 20 visitors per day from google until june 27th
- from june 27th to july 27th 300 - 500 vistors per day from google
- from july 27th again only 20 visitors per day

- after command site:mysite.com, my index page is not the 1st result on the list.

KenB




msg:3034943
 1:10 am on Aug 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

After the responces from Matt earlier today I am very curious to see the percentage of people having problems after the 27th with extremly large sites.

What types of counts are you getting?

I saw this basic question a couple of times in this thread.

My biggest site (~19,000 pages), which has been on its current domain since 1999 was devistated by the July 27th update. There are some phrases it has been on page one most of the time since 1999 and it is now gone for everything. I've lost around 80% of my traffic. When I do a site search many of my pages are returning titles and descriptions that look several years old. In fact I found one six year old title today. newer low to no PR tertiary pages are showing up in site searches above my oldest and highest PR pages. In fact my main pages show up around page twenty.

This is a pure content site that depends on advertising revenue (mostly AdSense). I started the site in 1995 and shifted it to its current domain in 1999. According to Yahoo there are 20,000 backlinks to the site and I suspect the number to be closer to 50,000 - 80,000. Backlinks include hundreds if not thousands of high quality links like .GOV, .MIL, .EDU and Wikipedia type sites. No link exchanges, etc.

doughayman




msg:3034966
 1:33 am on Aug 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

My observance (and I've shared and compared with others, who believe the same), is that a rash of SPAMMERS have been introduced into the index update of 7/27. For those sites where I consistently ranked Page # 1 for several years, I'm now on Page 2, and the reason is that SPAM sites have leapfrogged ahead of me.

These are domains (and sub-domains) that were created in the last month, and mostly scrape and do illegal redirects. These cloaking sites have somehow received benefit from Google's latest algo tweak.

Nothing amazes me any more, but it would truly be unbelievable, if GG let this stand as the norm.

yummybanas




msg:3035025
 3:32 am on Aug 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

I saw this basic question a couple of times in this thread.

My biggest site (~19,000 pages), which has been on its current domain since 1999 was devistated by the July 27th update. There are some phrases it has been on page one most of the time since 1999 and it is now gone for everything. I've lost around 80% of my traffic. When I do a site search many of my pages are returning titles and descriptions that look several years old. In fact I found one six year old title today. newer low to no PR tertiary pages are showing up in site searches above my oldest and highest PR pages. In fact my main pages show up around page twenty.

This is a pure content site that depends on advertising revenue (mostly AdSense). I started the site in 1995 and shifted it to its current domain in 1999. According to Yahoo there are 20,000 backlinks to the site and I suspect the number to be closer to 50,000 - 80,000. Backlinks include hundreds if not thousands of high quality links like .GOV, .MIL, .EDU and Wikipedia type sites. No link exchanges, etc.

And I thought I had it bad ...

Does anyone know how often the data refreshes occur? Is there some sort of rotating pattern? I heard GoogleGuy said something about this "happening more frequently".

yankee




msg:3035034
 3:53 am on Aug 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

If doughayman's site has dropped, it is quite clear Google's data refresh process is severely flawed. Amazing, considering the many years they have had to get it right.

KenB




msg:3035077
 5:17 am on Aug 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

And I thought I had it bad ...

Oh this update is costing me very dearly finacially speaking. Making matters worse, my wife is a real estate broker and our real estate market is horrible right now. So not only have I lost most of my income, but she's not making anything either. So much for being diversified. :(

Does anyone know how often the data refreshes occur? Is there some sort of rotating pattern? I heard GoogleGuy said something about this "happening more frequently".

It can't come soon enough. I really think Google has a social responsiblity to be a little more careful with their updates due to the devistating finacial impact a bad update like this can have on web publishers.

doughayman




msg:3035237
 10:56 am on Aug 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Overnight, there was some major clean-up (removal) of SPAM sites, that were relevant for my keywords. Now, I'm really not sure what caused their removal:

- I logged a spam report, for each an every offending site.
Did this precipitate their removal?

- Are there algo tweaks in place for the removal of such spam,
that were implemented as recently as last night?

In any event, this is a step in the right direction. Google needs to proactively (and algorithmically) rid its database of this garbage.

Alex70




msg:3036068
 8:29 am on Aug 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

I was holding 8th position in google on my niche. Had zero supplemental on all DC apart from 72.14.207.104. Went trhough the supplemental on that Dc and discovered a few orphan files, pages with same metatags ecc. I have fixed about 30 pages, cancelled a few orphan files and drop 40 positions! How is it possible? Google tells you about the supplementals, you fix it and drop consequently.

Armande




msg:3049496
 8:14 am on Aug 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Okay, I am totally BACK! As of today. I have no idea how because I pretty much left the site alone. But my most popular article is back on top again, as are others.
I have not cracked open the champagne yet but am quietly crossing fingers that it stays this way.

danijel




msg:3049503
 8:40 am on Aug 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am today also back after being on the bottom of SERPs from July 27th. This comeback came at the same time when my site: command went back to normal.

Dayo_UK




msg:3049507
 8:45 am on Aug 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hmmmz - My site command has gone awol this morning.

G just cant seem to get it get a universal fix for this issue.

shogun_ro




msg:3049534
 9:26 am on Aug 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

One of my site is 100% back from this morning.
Rank is better than before 27 june.

Onders




msg:3049625
 11:15 am on Aug 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Have returned from a major hit on June 27th as well - lets hope it lasts!

qwerty




msg:3049661
 11:34 am on Aug 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Argh! I'm glad others are getting their rankings back.

My flagship white-hat site has totally tanked in the rankings this morning.

On June 27th, part of the site had tanked, to be restored completly on July 27th, only to have a devastating drop for the whole site in rankings today.

My hobby site had dropped in the rankings on June 27th, stayed dropped on July 27th, and has been completed restored this morning.

Oddly, the site: commands are functioning properly for both sites.

I've no clue what the difference between the sites are, so that one would tank and one be restored. Both sites had canonical problems last year, but a 301 redirect has been in place for over a year.

ari11210




msg:3049695
 11:46 am on Aug 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Same here. My site was ranking very well for almost a year for certain keywords (the site has been online since 1998), then June 27th killed it completely, then July 27th it came back, and today its gone again. Roller coaster.....
-Aaron

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