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Big drop in Google ranking - June 27?
from first page PG to dust speck in the distance

 8:37 am on Jul 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

My Dutch content site seems to have suffered a big drop in Google ranking. This must have happened a few weeks ago.
Several of my articles did really well, PR in the first 5 hits, or at least on the first page. Now they have dropped several pages. At first I thought I must have been blacklisted or so but I can't think why. The only thing I could come up with was that I added alt texts to a few images on the site. I can easily change that of course.

I looked into it and I cannot find the reason at all. I signed up for google sitemaps but it does not report any errors or faux pas'.

So I don't know where to look now. Any input very much appreciated!

[edited by: engine at 1:33 pm (utc) on July 21, 2006]
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 4:01 pm on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

yeah, it's these 2 or three data centers that concern me!



 4:04 pm on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)



 4:08 pm on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

today is 27 July and same thing just happened to me.

i lost my page rank from 5 to 4 but its just for index page and other links in my site like domain.com/topsite or domain.com/forum still have there old page rank :(

now im trying to link to some high pagerank site, maybe this will help me to increase pagerank againe!

UPDATE: thanks god, from 69 DC there is just 8 of theme that show PR 4 now :D

[edited by: firefoxin at 4:24 pm (utc) on July 28, 2006]


 4:15 pm on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Lost a site today not affected by June 27th for major 1 and 2 keywords
still coming on top for many other keywords just like what happened to many on June 27th but no spupplemental issues with this site.

A site that I lost for only major keywords on June 27th came back a couple weeks ago but now dropped a few search pages in and still has supplemental issues.

Googleguy dropped a hint on reseller's thread earlier about how they can't or won't be able comment on specific datecenters untill maybe the end of the summer.

Believe with Googlebase and now adding the checkout stuff that they
are re-building their whole search and many bugs coming up affecting
many sites. I can't believe how so many news stories that should be in news search only taking over and big players as Amazon and such almost seem hardcoded to stay in. As the Amazon example on June 27th. Then wham their right back in.

Don't see to many changes at all on non competitive keywords, only keywords in the millions.


 4:37 pm on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

We're a large Christian marriage resource (content) site (3,000+ pages). Not terribly competitive, but we've held the top
three positions for some time.

Yesterday we hit the number one spot, which we knew
was a fluke since the entire index had re-shuffled.

Today, we've dropped to somewhere around position 90.

I agree: appears to be a random change. There are many
(low quality) 'new' sites in the top positions.


 4:49 pm on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Seems to me that all this stuff is going on for at least a couple of months. Is that a Big Daddy thing or something else?

I enjoyed 12K indexed pages on Google for 2 years. 2-3 months ago it has abruptly dropped to 500. Can't get Google to index other pages with no means: sitemaps, reinclusion request ... Before I filed a reinclusion request the situation was slightly better (570K) and next day of submitting request it dropped to 530 and may go lower I'm afraid. That seems to be the major problem - lost traffic at least by 50-60% to this crap. Whatever is indexed holds on in serps very well, however it's just 10% of pages submitted in sitemaps.

Is Patience the only techniques to apply? Shouldn't have submitted for reinclusion either, probably.

With the other website which is much newer occures a little different story: 80% of pages swiftly migrated to supplemental results (for good reason, I admit) and settle there seems forever - I have rewritten all these pages and eliminated that reason, Google doesn't care - has old copies in cash and sticks with it.

Should I just sit still or there is something I still could do?


 5:20 pm on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I decided to sit back and wait, I wouldn't know what to do anyway. What it meant with "gone supplemental"?
Some of the pages are sloooooowly improving, nothing like springing back to life as others here report. But I'll just go about my other business and wait for Google to get its act back together.


 5:33 pm on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have 10 sub-domains that I monitor extensively. They are all sub-domains from a single site.

On March 16th, 3 of the 10 sub-domains suffered a drastic loss of pages. The main sub-domain went from 12,800 pages to 750 pages indexed in Google.

Traffic actually stayed about the same until April 16th. Then it dropped on ALL sub-domains to about 1/3 of the normal traffic. During this time there were no further reductions in pages indexed for any of my sites.

These sites also saw another significant drop in traffic starting April 28th. Again, no additional changes in pages indexed. This reduction in traffic dropped me to about 1/10 of the original traffic for these sites.

I monitored daily for pages indexed and possible supplimental pages. I have never seen the "supplimental page" problem for any of these sites. I never saw a problem with the main index page NOT being reported first in a Site: search result.

FINALLY: On July 16th ( a mere 4 months to the day) my "lost pages" were magically returned to the Google index!

Traffic slowly picked up BUT only a little. - I will continue to be patient - I told myself...

On July 27th most Google traffic disappeared!

Ironically, All traffic disappeared on all but 2 of my sub-domains. WHAT HAPPENED?

The number of pages indexed in Google had not changed for any of the sites!


On ALL of the sites that the traffic disappeared the main index page was no longer the first page returned in a site: search. The 2 sites that are still getting Google traffic have their main index page listed in the first result.

I find it curious that these 10 different sub-domains (each has own external links and PR and different subject matter) seem to have ALL experienced similar reductions in traffic at the exact same time even though only 3 of them experienced loss of pages in Google.

YET on July 27th 2 of these sites avoided the "index page" displacement in the Site: search results and therefore are still getting Google traffic when the other sites lost all traffic.

It seems that sub-domains are treated as individual/independent websites only to a certain extent.

...I am certainly praying that this "index page" issue does not last for months on end - this is rediculous.



 5:46 pm on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

googles been digging deep and having many subdomains with different content theme from your main domain maybe getting you caught up in new buggy filters trying to combat subdomain spam as the billion dollar page stuff.


 6:06 pm on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have only one subdomain and on July 27th, I lost 90% of traffic. The pages that had good listings on non competitive searches stayed pretty much where they were. All the actual content pages that have been doing great all suddely dropped many pages. Most can't be found, but rather the search queiries for those keywords now only show my main page. They no longer bring up the pages relevant to those keywords.


 6:17 pm on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

" googles been digging deep and having many subdomains with different content theme from your main domain maybe getting you caught up in new buggy filters trying to combat subdomain spam as the billion dollar page stuff. "

I don't think so...

The sub-domains all follow the same theme, they just pertain to different aspects of that theme.

The main "problem" began months ago - long before the "billion page subdomain spam" and the current issue of the displaced index page is also one I have read about in this forum for quite some time now. (it is just that it has finally 'infected' some of my sites)

If I was to speculate...

Big Daddy was a move on Googles part to store information in a database. That database contains the information from which Google calculates its results.

IF - for whatever reason - that pertainant data regarding YOUR website is NOT represented, or represented correctly in the current datasets in the Google Database, your site's placement in the results will reflect it.



 6:45 pm on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Several of us are trying to piece together evidence from sites that suffered ranking problems on 27 June. Is this the neighborhood of when your troubles appeared? If it is, does your Home Page appear as the first result on a Google site: query, or is it perhaps far down the list or even missing?

I noticed this too. My targeted landing pages were pulled out of the first ten results, but my homepage is now showing as the #1 result for certain keywords, whereas others have completely disapeared.

Interestingly enough almost all of my competitors have been completely dropped from the first page and replaced with irrelevant crap, nothing even relating to the search. Something screwy is definitely going on here and its making for a lousy user experience, but also it is making me unhappy which of course is most important. I agree with this conclusion:

In any event, this update/data refresh is very buggy, I'm sure Google will fix it over the next few days. I wouldn't do too much to change your current websites at this time until everyone is reporting a non-buggy update. Any major changes out of fear or panic might cost you more in the end. :)

Patience may just be the key to getting past this craziness.


 7:38 pm on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

All i know is that this google fiasco is good for webmaster world. Over the past 4 years my homepage has moved up and down the first page when it comes to the search term <edited> as of the 27th, I am no where to be found. I have done very little to SEO my pages since they did pretty well in google for that past 4 years. Since I am now no where to be found I got online to see what the heck happened. I came across this forum and obviously I joined, as I am sure many others in my same situation are doing as well.

I think I am with every one when I say that that I hope this is just a temporary bug and will get fixed in the next few days. It is hot and this is my season.

I would also appreciate it if someone could suggest where to start when it comes to optimizing my site. I would guess there are thousands of threads on this site but if there is a good starting point i would appreciate it. Thanks again for a great community, I look forward to becoming more active.

[edited by: tedster at 11:33 pm (utc) on July 28, 2006]
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 8:17 pm on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Build your site and wait...?


 10:54 pm on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I checked that data center as you did Calumniate - worst results i have seen in years - all of my competitors are gone, as well as I. At least i am on page 3 - but the results are not very relevant.
Like most, this is a two word search. A three word search was even worse.


 12:39 am on Jul 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

This has to go down as one of the worst google updates of all time. Theyve removed all the websites that have quality content on a subject.. Like lots of information on a term.. and replaced them with 5 month old articles from online newspapers. This is not google news. Google need to realize this debarcle now. Or else we will all be suffering for a while


 12:50 am on Jul 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

At 7pm CST tonight I noted that our rankings for our key terms miraculously reappeared in the same positions as they were prior to this mess -- it took about 3 1/2 days total -- all DC's show the key terms on first page whereas 3 hours ago they were in the 90-100's?! Anyone else notice any improvements in their positions taking the same amount of time?


 2:24 am on Jul 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

eglobalhealth, i thought the same thing until you check the different data centers. 9 of 10 have poor results. when i find good results i am only assuming at this point that data center was not updated yet, thats all.


 3:00 am on Jul 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hope your wrong about the datacenters. Our main keyword #1 for past 4 years is gone now on a few. I hope this is not an update that sticks.

Most of page 1 is websites I have never seen before and I check the KW daily. #1 site does not even come up when you click it. Google cache for the site is from Oct 29, 2005

After 5-6 years with our website this is the strangest thing I have ever seen. I hope they see this is a problem and not just webmaster complaing again.


 3:28 am on Jul 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have about 50 websites and 49 of them are gone in this update.
Yahoo and Msn are also bad. Whats up with all this bad results only ask.com has good relevant results


 3:36 am on Jul 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

At 7pm CST tonight I noted that our rankings for our key terms miraculously reappeared in the same positions as they were prior to this mess -- it took about 3 1/2 days total -- all DC's show the key terms on first page whereas 3 hours ago they were in the 90-100's?! Anyone else notice any improvements in their positions taking the same amount of time?

I am back on the first page, too. What a relief. :D

I don't know how long I was out in total but I first noticed it on the weekend of 7/16


 5:40 am on Jul 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

I will sleep a little better. My main keyword which is a 2 word phrase is still no where to be found but a bunch of my other 2 word keywords that were gone this afternoon are now back.

Prayer works.



 7:13 am on Jul 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

I had big traffic drop on July 27. I don't know how much is this relevant, but when i look at the googles cache page of one mine page after 2 KW search, I can see that for the second keyword are highlighted (in blue) the whole sidebar and the footer of the page. Sidebar and footer are totally unrelevant to keyword search I did.

This means that google highlighted around 230 unrelevant words (in sidebar and footer of the page) as a second keyword.

This page was chached on July 23, and it is listed at the bottom of all search results, althougt it is well optimised. Search results which are better positioned on the search page are mostly not relevant to searched 2kw term.

Have anyone noticed something similar?



 3:52 pm on Jul 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

All the rankings came back to where it was for me before the 27th as expected. I didn't worry about it and managed not to even think about it throughout the weekend.

Good thing. with the SERP results generating irrelevant, off-topic crap, there was no way that change was going to stick for long.


 3:58 pm on Jul 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

Expect changes on subdomains, it is very evident google is playing around with subdomain filters to battle the 5 million page subdomain spammer.


 4:04 pm on Jul 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>>>Expect changes on subdomains, it is very evident google is playing around with subdomain filters to battle the 5 million page subdomain spammer.

Yes, and probably still playing around with the www sub-domain versus non-www problem.


 4:44 pm on Jul 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

my subdomain got hit hard july 27th.


 6:11 pm on Jul 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

Use this example as well:

Pages for: "Blue widgets" in google today are 1000 pages indexed for that keyword and you are number 1.

Data refresh comes along, the algo does not change but there are now 200 additional pages (1200 total) for the keyword "blue widgets"

Now, if all two hundred of those pages score better than your number one page, now your serps change and you are 201.

Thats an extreme example, but imagine how it would work if there were millions of result for a competive keyword and how new or old data could effect you as it comes into the index.


 7:42 pm on Jul 31, 2006 (gmt 0)


You're about a million miles off base with your whole refresh-equals-new-pages theory.


 7:54 pm on Jul 31, 2006 (gmt 0)


That is an extreme example. One thing we have noticed recently with quite a few keywords we monitor is that googles index is growing.

One keyword before jun 27th in our niche had 3423 results returned, this most recent data refresh it had grown to 6232 results.

It really depends on the keyword but the index in google is growing with these data refreshes.

As the index grows, you will get bounced around quite a bit if your in a real competitive keyword.

It will level out as the data refreshes get more frequent. Its the old google dance....


 9:55 pm on Jul 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

After the responces from Matt earlier today I am very curious to see the percentage of people having problems after the 27th with extremly large sites.

What types of counts are you getting?

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