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27 June screwup - theory part 2

 2:37 pm on Jul 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

<continued from: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/35125.htm [webmasterworld.com]>

Does anyone have any input on why if this (June 27) is a mistake it is taking so long to fix?

[edited by: tedster at 7:44 pm (utc) on July 18, 2006]



 6:53 pm on Jul 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Wow, now we went from google is losing money and yahoo is the search engine of the future?

FYI-Yahoo shares fell 20% last week.

That means there was 10.4 billion, yes I said billion dollars wiped out in shareholder equity.


 10:11 am on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Has anyone anything to update on this thread? Are we all still in the toilet or have some sites returned? We are almost a month into this now. I have seen no improvement to my affected site, I don't really expect to see anything yet as last time it happened it took six months to return. However, in the meantime, lots of other peoples sites did return.

Once again, my mind turns to the thought that it may never return - it's my main income site and is hurting financially, as I am sure yours are too, but at least I was expecting it this time.


 11:17 am on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

don't know if this is the right place to post this, however there's something new with the google command related:....
Before I was getting all my travel related websites ( 13 for different location ) plus lot of other travel websites. Today I can only see the website where I do the command and 10 other website very related to the search.
Anyone have noticed this?


 12:26 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)


My results are still well down too across 3 sites.

One started to recover it seems, but then had a major relapse :(


 12:28 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Still crap here too.. was hit starting April 26th.. coming to 3 months and now actually 95% out of google.. no sign of hope for the white hats in sight.


 12:43 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

My Google traffic is still down 80% of what it was pre June 27th on my main site. Luckily my other sites were unaffected but June 27 cut my income in half. I'm still holding out hope that Google will return one of these days.


 12:52 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi there,

I have noticed over the past few months that most of my pages that used to have PR of 2 now have no PR assigned to them, and only my index page & blog still remaining with PR of 2/3.

Any ideas on when google's next PR update is? I'm sure my site won't change PR at all, but would like to see it for all my pages.


 1:28 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

There was a PR update a few days ago, you might have to wait for months, usually 3 or 4..


 5:00 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

I haven't heard from anyone who has seen any improvement. From the people I've talked to privately about this all sites impacted seem to be well established, white hat sites.

Yahoo is now my biggest referrer with MSN second. Google is number 3.

When I perform a site:www.example.com search my homepage is missing. However if I advance to the end of those results and then click on the "In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar...." link then I can find my homepage at the top of the omitted results but in the middle of the overall list.

It was on July 9 that Matt Cutts said there would be another data refresh in 2-3 weeks. Two weeks would have been on July 23 and three weeks would be on July 30.

I can only hope that the data refresh will happen soon and that it will fix the issue. Looking back on my statistics my site had more traffic the fourth month it was operational than it will at the end of this month. Pathetic.


 5:30 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm begging to see some of my keywords come back from G! hell.

I also see my domain return to #1 when I search "mydomain" without the dot com

anyone else?


 5:50 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

my site has always remained at number 1 for a search of "mydomain" without the .tld.


 6:09 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

So a month is past. Time to expect another Data Refresh that will fix the problem?


 7:47 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

>my site has always remained at number 1 for a search of "mydomain" without the .tld.

Hmmm.. I have a different smypton than you guys then. My search for my domain (without the .com) dropped off the SERP altogether. It only came back yesterday along with several keywords back on page 1.

Have you lost all your SERP results other than your domain name?


 8:00 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'll be the first to volunteer my site as having been revived on 6/27.

My site is 7 years old with 27,000 backlinks, half oh which date older than three years.

G has always ranked my site high across a variety of search terms (as well it should considering the contest is original, backlink are quality and site is old).

Some time during jagger my site became a cannonical nightmare. Site:command showed pages 3 or 4 levels deep first with my home page nowhere to be found. Thus my serps went from an avg of 2.5 across all terms to between 50 - 100.

I was operating my site without a redirect from non-www to www. (always loathe to change it since there was a lot of links going to non-www and the possibility of getting the linkers to change it was nil).

Earlier this year, I redirected the non-www to www. There were a few updates, but nothing happened in the G index...

Until 6/27.

So whatever the update was, my cannonical issue was fixed. Now whether it was my redirect from Feb that did it (just took a while for G to accept it) or if G tweaked their filters/algo, will remain a mystery.

But, I did revert back to my old serps positions...


 8:33 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Have you lost all your SERP results other than your domain name?

Yes, virtually everything. My site still ranks well for some very obscure, unique phrases but is nowhere to be seen for any competitive terms where it used to rank in the top 10.


 10:30 pm on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Not seeing any imporvement at present, if anything our last few ranking keywords have dropped a few more positions. Google is already behind Yahoo and now MSN is catching up fast. Meanwhile one of our main old #1 positions is occupied by a site with a 401 error!

I only post this in the hope that G might be reading the boards as they sure as hell aren't communicating in any other way.



 12:36 am on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes very sad but true, Google has fallen behind MSN and Yahoo with out a doubt in terms of quality and relevancy. ALL of a sudden I find Ask.com the most relevant of all the SEs and also delivering the highest quality sites at top of SERPs. I study 7 sites in my sector intensely, analyzing every backlink to all pages and any new content they might publish like a relegion.

If G is not reading these forums for feedback, then they have become deluded. The deafening silence speaks a thousand words.


 4:48 am on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)


Good to know that your canonical issue got fixed. For me, 26/7 was when my canonical issue fixed during Big Daddy came back in full strength to exactly pre-Big Daddy days!

Pretty mad stuff, eh :-)


 5:19 am on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

26/7 problem fixed today site command works with home page first ,back in the results second page ,but better then nothing.


 6:44 am on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

"site:mydomain.com" is working fine again for me too.
Also I'm back at the pre-27J position in the serps for a few searches I've tried.

Finally I can see the light at the end of the tunnel... I hope it isn't a train...


 6:56 am on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

"site:mydomain.com" is working fine again for me too.
Also I'm back at the pre-27J position in the serps for a few searches I've tried.

It's just more worse for me.

a.example.com hit 27 June
b.example.com hit 27 June
c.example.com hit 27 July!
l.example.com hit index command working again normal, improved
n.example.com hit 27 June
p.example.com hit 27 July!
r.example.com hit works as usual
w.example.com hit 27 June
www.example.com hit 27 June

2 more domains screwed up, only one, the smallest, working like usual


 7:51 am on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Early indications are that my site is coming back. Too early yet to say whether rankings will be as before, but it's looking promising. Fingers crossed.


 7:53 am on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Unfortunately it looks like an huge amount of internal pages have lost rankings. One of my competitors lost two top rankings they have held for five years, pages just gone.


 8:40 am on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Our site is coming back too, slowly but surely, site command is now working.

For all those old hands who are reading this thread and thinking "fools" for those of us that have been hit for the first time it's a steep learning curve, so please cut us some slack.

For big G thank you......


 8:42 am on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Looks like we've also completely recovered from June 27 event. We are back on the first page for many search terms and site command works fine again for first time since June 27.


 8:55 am on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Guys, reporting full recovery for couple sites. Was expecting it on 27th.

Pass the Dutchie

 9:18 am on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Dear Google, Matt, GG and co,

As you know on the 27th June there was a major problem for many of us who unlike others are not intent on spamming your index. It seems from many of the posts here and from other webmatsters I know, many decent and authorative sites where sidlined for the past 4 weeks.

You have heard our cries, looked at the issue and for many, myself included, you have fixed the problem.

Thanks for restoring my faith and position,


[edited by: Pass_the_Dutchie at 9:19 am (utc) on July 27, 2006]


 10:06 am on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I knew something would happen again on the 27th. Didn't sleep well last night and I wasn't surprised when this morning I lost yet another two sites and didn't get any important ones back :(


 10:33 am on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I still think there is a way to go before they fix this mess. Some results are better but I can still see junk sites where they have no place. Site command / page counts / supps are still an issue on the default .com SERPS - There are still plenty of sites out there that have not bounced back yet.


 11:39 am on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Wow, this morning it looks like my Google traffic is coming back! Six hours into the day and my Google traffic is already triple what it has been each day since June 27th. Also I notices that if I do a site command search on my site it comes up index first and is order. I don't want to get to excited yet but at least there is now some hope. It seems weird that this all happen June 27th and today July 27th I'm seeing improvements.


 12:24 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I just lost all pages with content. They are now appearing as just the roor domain for my keywords.

Only pages in /certaindirectory/ have been affected. Unfortuantely, those pages are where i keep the articles.

Something happened between 2-5am EST. I went to sleep fine. Woke up at around 5 and all pages were gones. Still listed with site: but they are all now the very last ones.

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