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Bars Line Up to Ban Google Glasses
Brett_Tabke




msg:4553162
 6:14 pm on Mar 10, 2013 (gmt 0)

A bar bans high-tech glasses to protect the privacy of its patrons even though the glasses aren't even available yet. Google Glass, not Glasses, are currently in development, but a low-end bar in Seattle, Wash. has formally announced their intention to prohibit the product from its establishment via a notice on their Facebook page, according to a Mar. 8, 2013 report by mynorthwest.com.

The Facebook warning reads, "For the record, The 5 Point is the first Seattle business to ban in advance Google Glasses [sic]. And [butt] kickings will be encouraged for violators." [examiner.com...]


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Leosghost




msg:4553173
 6:43 pm on Mar 10, 2013 (gmt 0)

I would suspect that unless Google manages to successfully brib^^^^^^obby everyone in Brussels ..then they are likely to be banned from all public places ( including all public transports, parks, beaches, shops, restaurants, bars etc ) in many European states..

I will certainly be pushing for such a ban ( they may indeed already be considered illegal in public places under current laws here ) in the country I live in, and for a wider ban across the EU..

I usually find that the administration of what we know as a good "baff" ( in the USA it was I believe known an an "upside the head" )..as seen being administered in classic version by Obelix ( who I resemble somewhat ;) encourages respect..and would no doubt render the "Glasses" inoperable..

If I ever encounter anyone wearing them and they look my way within my reach ( and I can move fast to get within reach, for a big guy )..I'll certainly administer one ..or two..

This link goes deeper into the detail of the privacy issues with Google Glasses than the examiner's brief report..
[creativegood.com...]

Clarence




msg:4553192
 8:51 pm on Mar 10, 2013 (gmt 0)

Free PR for this Scammy bar owner, Free Impression for the News Agency website who publish this story, and Free reasons to bash Google, but resentful Google bashing webmaster, Free oil to add to the pot for webmaster world.

This is a non-issue, and a non-topic for discussion!

outland88




msg:4553202
 10:20 pm on Mar 10, 2013 (gmt 0)

I imagine the #*$! people, paparazzi, and pervs will see this as the greatest thing to ever come down the pike. Is there anything Google has ever made a profit from that didnít involve stealing the hard work of another or invading someoneís privacy? I always expected this from those two pasty skinned owners at Google. Next market Google Glass detectors.

SevenCubed




msg:4553208
 10:40 pm on Mar 10, 2013 (gmt 0)

Clarence, we made them who they are. We have earned the right to now disassemble them stripe by stripe and take back our dignity.

Clarence




msg:4553243
 1:05 am on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

SevenCube Your right we made Google.

I cringe every time i hear a new story claiming how Google gave the world access to so much knowledge.

Webmasters created the knowledge, Google was just another way to search it. But no one gives credit to the millions of webmaster who produce the content. They pretend like the content was just there, and Google discovered it and brought it to the world, and the world owe them credit.

So you're right, we made Google! Hell, We are Google. Google is only a way to find us, we are what the searcher wants, not Google.

But don't bash the hand that feeds you! And don't condemn the people who help facilitate all of our Growth.

Same with Facebook.

Leosghost




msg:4553254
 1:30 am on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

If Google and facebook disappeared tomorrow..I'd still have my businesses..both online, and offline..they existed before either Google or facebook..

But then I don't just run adsense..nor do I depend on only G for traffic..

But don't bash the hand that feeds you! And don't condemn the people who help facilitate all of our Growth.

Same with Facebook.


The girls who have pimps sometimes say the same things..also from fear..and also from fear..they try to discourage anyone saying bad about their pimps..

Do you think if Google and facebook got all their own way, and got big enough they'd at least make the trains run on time..:)

Sgt_Kickaxe




msg:4553269
 3:20 am on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

Private property rules apply. You can pretty much take pictures of what you wish from public property but that changes when you leave the street. How will the bars block the sound recording the glasses are capable of? Just putting them in your pocket doesn't de-activate the GPS and sound recordings.

They are already banned from my house and I won't be shy about throwing them out on the porch if someone walks in with a pair. Pizza delivery guy, repairman, etc. Not happening. Google can create videos for Youtube elsewhere, ty.

Whitey




msg:4553272
 4:00 am on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

Great PR. The machine kicks in for the bar and Google.

incrediBILL




msg:4553296
 6:56 am on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

Luddites making link bait, gotta love it.

It's amusing to watch people act like the primates throwing bones at the obelisk on 2001 A Space Odyssey.

There were similar reactions to my first computer back in the late 70s as all the superstitious in my small town looked at it like it was some alien invasion starting to happen.

I will own Google Glasses, I will wear them everywhere if they are useful, and if I'm turned away I'll just go elsewhere as my green money will overcome objections. I might even break my personal ban on purchasing overpriced (yuppie priced) Apple products if the rumored Apple Watch is as cool as I suspect it will be an something tells me it'll have a camera too or you won't be able to Skype (or whatever Apple does) on your Apple Watch. Think they'll ban those too or will Apple Watches be too cool to ban?

Funny, people allow cell phones with cameras everywhere and masses of people wear blue tooth headsets that can record everything being said but suddenly someone draws the line and the ultimate personal internet access device.

Next thing you know people will tell you to leave your cell phones, tablets and laptops in your car because they don't want all your radiation spewed all over the place.

Then people will ban self-driving Google cars in drive-thrus, gas stations and parking lots.

FWIW, I've always been a very early adapter and I'm about to have cataract surgery and I'm personally disappointed that the permanent contact lens displays being developed aren't available yet because being on of the first cyborgs would certainly rock :)

martinibuster




msg:4553297
 7:23 am on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

>>>people allow cell phones with cameras everywhere

Not in out in the open in many Gym locker rooms.

lucy24




msg:4553298
 7:25 am on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

You can't stop progress.

Q: What's progress?
A: Anything you weren't able to stop.

{fill in the blank} never prospers:
What's the reason?
For it it prosper
None dare call it {fill in same blank}

There were similar reactions to my first computer back in the late 70s

You carried your computer with you everywhere you went? I thought laptops and tablets didn't come along until a couple of decades later.

Next thing you know people will tell you to leave your cell phones, tablets and laptops in your car

If you've gotten used to carrying on a phone conversation while operating your motor vehicle, let me introduce you to the hottest new thing. It's not enough to be listening to and thinking about something other than the boring same-old same-old road; you need to be looking at something else too.

:: irritably wondering whether I really did forget to click Submit after composing long and complicated Apache question, or whether it just fell into some kind of multi-hour limbo ::

bluntforce




msg:4553300
 7:29 am on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

IncrediBILL, I really wonder why you reply, your love of technology is obvious, but it doesn't make others Luddites.

I'd expect that an Administrator wouldn't make the "people act like primates" comment, but hey, I don't make the rules.

incrediBILL




msg:4553325
 8:09 am on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

but it doesn't make others Luddites.


I was discussing the bars banning Google Glasses before it's even a real product and the public reaction to the technology, or as I called them, Luddites.

Just because my opinion differs doesn't mean it needs to get personal or reflect on whether or not I'm an Admin as I'm allowed my personal opinion about both the technology and the public reaction to it whether others agree or not.

Now let's continue the discussion on the topic.

You carried your computer with you everywhere you went? I thought laptops and tablets didn't come along until a couple of decades later.


No. Once word got out that I had one quite a few friends, family and neighbors dropped in to see what it was all about. When asked what it did, I calmly replied "it makes money" :)

They all have those computers now and just like cell phones which I also got before others, all those that scoffed at the need for mine in'90 all have smartphones today. Nobody understood that Fidonet thing and BBS stuff I ran in the 80s yet they all have internet today and wouldn't live without it.

Heck, it wasn't that long ago people were railing against tablets and now people are buying them in record numbers. Funny thing was I had an 8x10 Windows slate (tablet) computer on loan for a couple of months in '91 at Lotus and our software was enabled for what was called INK and handwriting input (which was horrible at the time yet it took 20 years before people to get them in droves. Was just a matter of time.

If you go way back to the early 80s a storage technology company I was working for had some of the initial read/write optical media devices and when CDs and DVDs finally hit the shelves the audiophiles went bonkers as their vinyl was assaulted yet CDs quickly fell to MP3s and it all sorted itself out and everyone has MP3s now.

When I say early adopter, I mean it :)

Sadly I don't have a clue anymore than anyone else as I've been out of R&D for a few years now and if I did I'd be under NDA so I couldn't say anyway LOL

However, this is the same old thing that something new, cool and disruptive has hit the market and everyone is painting it as evil before the ink on the spec sheet has dried.

They'll all have Google Glasses before it's over and probably play some sort of bar game using some cool Google Glasses app.

That's my prediction and I'll drink to it.

lucy24




msg:4553333
 8:42 am on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

something new, cool and disruptive has hit the market and everyone is painting it as evil before the ink on the spec sheet has dried

... and sometimes the "new, cool" thing really is evil. It doesn't stop being evil just because it has become ubiquitous.

incrediBILL




msg:4553344
 9:02 am on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

... and sometimes the "new, cool" thing really is evil. It doesn't stop being evil just because it has become ubiquitous.


Don't blame the "new cool thing" as It all depends on who you are and what you do with it.

A computer in the hands of a good programmer and you get productivity tools.

A computer in the hands of maniac hackers that are probably one lab accident short of being comic book villains and you get viruses.

Most people use smart phones to talk, play games, take pictures of their kids.

Other people use smart phones to sit under stairs and take pictures under skirts.

Some people use cell phones as triggers for bombs.

I hardly blame the technology, it's neutral.

The people using that technology inappropriately are what's evil.

Vamm




msg:4553369
 10:26 am on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

Where I leave, concealed cameras or sound recorders are a criminal offense. I recall just owning the thing ends one in jail, not to mention actual use. Based on what I think Google Glasses look like, the glasses will likely qualify as a "concealed camera".

MarkOly




msg:4553422
 2:24 pm on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

When I first started reading this, with all the vitriol and talk of butt kickings and privacy violations, I assumed these had some kind of night vision mode that allows you to see through clothing. So it's just a smart phone that attaches to your head. We all knew that was coming.

theblackout




msg:4553429
 2:30 pm on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

I oppose CCTV cameras in general and think there is already an invasion of privacy in too many ways these days. I have three solutions for you guys for those of us who oppose these walking CCTV glasses..

1. Go to places where these glasses are banned.
2. Balaclava
3. A baseball cap that projects Sergey Brin's face onto mine.

Personally I am think no.3 is the way forwards ;)

jecasc




msg:4553431
 2:35 pm on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

So what... Concealed cameras are available today or you can use your smartphone, put it into your shirt pocket with the camera looking out.

My bet however is, that Google Glass will be about as successful as Google Wave - meaning they will be a big flop.

A normal smartphone is just far more convenient. You can use the smartphone far more discreetly and especially without talking to it. You can stow it away, show it around to let others see content, write an SMS in a subway without disturbing all the people around or making gestures that make you look like you just escaped from the looney bin.

The only potential I see is, if they manage to build glasses that cost about 40$ and you can plug into your smartphone as additional display. Just like earphones.

albo




msg:4553448
 3:14 pm on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

Though by now we (or I) may have become desensitized to folks carrying a laptop or a cellphone or a tablet or a (yuck the word) "phablet" everywhere, yet I am still offended when someone with whom I'm engaged is also partially engaged with a piece of machinery. It has occurred more and more. Folks frequently glancing away during the conversation. I prefer plain ol' human involvement. Put the machine aside, dang it. Let's talk.

backdraft7




msg:4553449
 3:15 pm on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

I guess I'm a Luddite too, I'll be drawing the line at GG. Google has a sick fascination with wanting to "be us". I'm guessing they don't have their own lives to enjoy.

SevenCubed




msg:4553475
 3:58 pm on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

There is one aspect of this product that I haven't read about anywhere. Does it have self-contained storage capacity for all things recorded -- audio, video and images -- or does that data have to be pushed up into a google cloud?

incrediBILL for someone such as you that has always been deeply involved in technology development even you must have a sense of awareness of when a new technology is crossing the line of creepiness.

Many of the products you helped develop or have adopted early on were without doubt of benefit for us. But this google glass thing is not one of them. It will not perform any function that cannot already be accomplished using another device. It has no value for our progress. It is only a toy, a very unnecessary invasive one. The ONLY purpose it will serve is to get google more deeply embedded into cold lifeless minds that require constant distractions to feel alive.

Rosalind




msg:4553476
 3:59 pm on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

The crucial question that everyone seems to be ignoring: does wearing GG make you look like a wally? Nobody needed to ban Sinclair C5s.

theblackout




msg:4553510
 5:01 pm on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

[youtube.com...]

incrediBILL




msg:4553511
 5:01 pm on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

incrediBILL for someone such as you that has always been deeply involved in technology development even you must have a sense of awareness of when a new technology is crossing the line of creepiness.


If you want creepy just look for freaks wearing blue tooth all day like it was fashion jewelry or something. If you don't know they're on a cell phone they could easily be confused for a schizophrenic pacing back and forth talking to themselves. I've come close to calling men in white coats a couple of times before I saw the ear-bud cord or blue tooth hidden in hair. Oblivious zombies driving while talking or texting and nearly killing everyone in the path of their big SUV is creepy too yet they're everywhere.

What's creepy about having a heads up display that can help your navigate your car or assist with walking directions when on foot? I've always wanted a heads-up display in my car but it'll probably never happen in my price range in my life but this, which can be an obvious next step for Google Navigation, is cool enough for the price all on it's own IMO.

Now imagine you also get an app called Google Safety, along the same lines as Google Safe Surf for the B&M world that warns you about real danger, not just cyber danger. Google Safety would tie Google Local to police reports and such and warn you in real time not to go into the bar that banned Google Glasses in the first place because of the high rate of police response to violence at that bar. Not only that, it could tap into mug shots of known criminals, sex offenders, etc. and warn you about people to avoid before something bad happens.

If something bad does happen, you might just have it all on video streaming to the cloud in real time and there won't be any problem with witness issues and identifying the person that mugged you, you'll just go to video and show the cops whodunnit.

When you call 911 they'll know your location and be able to review what happened before they get there and have faces of suspects on a BOLO in under 5 minutes.

With everyone wearing them it could be the end of personal crime as we know it because nobody would ever be able to get away with anything ever again. No more he said she said, just review the tape.

Not only that you'll never miss getting pictures of the kids first step, first words, the interview where some dumbass says "sorry, we don't rent/hire/serve your <fill in type> here", all on video as people will quickly forget everything is being recorded until you show the jury the video.

I've been waiting for this stuff since I read Arthur C. Clarke's "Imperial Earth" and some other scifi stuff that predicted similar technologies when I was a teen in the 70s and now it's all starting to come true at a rapid pace.

Put the machine aside, dang it. Let's talk.


Assuming I remember your name. I'm horrible with remembering names as I know so many people but Google Glasses could fix that by adding facial recognition to all my contacts and everyone I ever meet from the point of owning those glasses would permanently be logged and accessible, possibly including searchable transcripts of conversations that link directly into a timeline of possibly stored video of the encounter.

Imagine you go to a conference (Pubcon?) and all the attendees that registered are in the database and you could tap into that and Google Glasses would show you the names of people as that walk by or even let you locate that person based on his/her current GPS coordinates. Obviously it would be opt-in for attendees, but it could be the ultimate networking tool ever for a large event with lots of people.

Of course this could all be done with a cell phone today.

Just get a chain and hang the phone around your neck with the camera facing forward and write the necessary apps and get lots of batteries.

SevenCubed




msg:4553529
 5:20 pm on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

Wow. I'm glad I don't live in a world of forced compliance like the one described above. Freedom lost. Submit to control due to perpetual surveillance or else. It'll be more apparent in large industrialized urban environments. Concrete prisons.

Don't jump on incrediBILL, he's just trying to stir up debate, I'm smiling as I'm reading most of that last post incrediBILL :)

Leosghost




msg:4553548
 6:14 pm on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

There is one aspect of this product that I haven't read about anywhere. Does it have self-contained storage capacity for all things recorded -- audio, video and images -- or does that data have to be pushed up into a google cloud?

G cloud ..where G can/will "parse/mix/match/collate/cross reference it"..no local storage is included..

SevenCubed




msg:4553558
 6:25 pm on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

G cloud. Well there's the major difference between past technologies, as well as most present ones. In most other devices anything recorded was for your own personal use, not to be uploaded to a commercial advertising company for profit.

@theblackout -- Thanks for that link. I watched it and many others videos related to it in the sidebar -- comedy hour. There was one really good 5:30 minute one titled 'Google Glass Can Kiss My A$$' -- especially the last 1/3 of it when he shares his thoughts rather than just commentary of what he's observing.

jecasc




msg:4553586
 7:14 pm on Mar 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

could fix that by adding facial recognition to all my contacts and everyone I ever meet from the point of owning those glasses would permanently be logged and accessible


Well, you would not have trouble recognizing me, because I would be the guy wearing a paper bag.

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