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Sergey Brin reacts to threats against openess and access
Whitey




msg:4441202
 2:28 am on Apr 16, 2012 (gmt 0)

The principles of openness and universal access that underpinned the creation of the internet three decades ago are under greater threat than ever, according to Google co-founder Sergey Brin.

In an interview with the Guardian, Brin warned there were "very powerful forces that have lined up against the open internet on all sides and around the world". "I am more worried than I have been in the past," he said. "It's scary."

The threat to the freedom of the internet comes, he claims, from a combination of governments increasingly trying to control access and communication by their citizens, the entertainment industry's attempts to crack down on piracy, and the rise of "restrictive" walled gardens such as Facebook and Apple, which tightly control what software can be released on their platforms.

[guardian.co.uk...]

[edited by: engine at 11:03 am (utc) on Apr 16, 2012]
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Marketing Guy




msg:4441411
 11:46 am on Apr 16, 2012 (gmt 0)

Lumping in Apple and Facebook with governments which are oppressing their people is a pretty low blow IMO.

Brin said he and co-founder Larry Page would not have been able to create Google if the internet was dominated by Facebook. "You have to play by their rules, which are really restrictive," he said.


...make your site for users, not search engines (except when linking out or getting people to link to you, adding Meta information, using any technology search engines can't index, duplicating your own copy on multiple pages, expanding the copy on pages that don't need it for SEO purposes, reporting spam, reporting paid links, etc). Oh, and here's some free stuff (in exchange for information that you don't really need, know about, care about or value anyway).

JAB Creations




msg:4441419
 12:11 pm on Apr 16, 2012 (gmt 0)

By keeping referral data from webmasters by trying to rewrite HTTP and forcing us to use Google Webmaster Tools he is in effect closing off the web. Telling webmasters to use Google webmaster tools doesn't cut it, none of this should be occurring in the first place because they can directly manipulate what terms do and do not show up in their webmaster tools. Those forces include those same political elements that have infiltrated or outright control Google along with Apple, Facecrook and Microsoft are the biggest corporate threats to the internet along with the political forces that have infiltrated browser vendors (especially Mozilla) and operating system vendors (most especially Microsoft) and have been working to make user interfaces as difficult to use as possible for the common person.

- John

[edited by: JAB_Creations at 12:13 pm (utc) on Apr 16, 2012]

Staffa




msg:4441420
 12:12 pm on Apr 16, 2012 (gmt 0)

LOL, I couldn't have said it any better :o)

creative craig




msg:4441425
 12:22 pm on Apr 16, 2012 (gmt 0)

Microsoft used to be the big bully on the block - now we have a group of them with Google and Facebook being the most vocal, at the end of the day they are all as bad as each other!

jmccormac




msg:4441459
 1:33 pm on Apr 16, 2012 (gmt 0)

Yeah and just what was that $500 Million fine for again?

Regards...jmcc

albo




msg:4441460
 1:34 pm on Apr 16, 2012 (gmt 0)

I think Sergey's "scared" could mean, he's scared Google may have to start really earning its keep.

lfgoal




msg:4441514
 3:24 pm on Apr 16, 2012 (gmt 0)

The lack of love for G is so very apparent. Contrasts very heavily to 8 years ago when we could actually allow ourselves to believe "they are different".

Maurice




msg:4441529
 3:50 pm on Apr 16, 2012 (gmt 0)

yes there was a telling moment at Brigton SEO last Friday where the modeator of the "meet the searchengines panel" asked who thought that googles stance about

"Organic Query data Bad - Advertizers Query data Good" was belivable

No one put thier hands up

indyank




msg:4441567
 5:10 pm on Apr 16, 2012 (gmt 0)

If only I or the world had known a decade ago that you two guys sergey and larry are so greedy and want to be the only ones to control internet, we probably wouldn't have seen google as big as it is today. you are so comical Sergey when u point your finger at others. Note that 3 fingers point back at you when you do that.

topr8




msg:4441581
 5:34 pm on Apr 16, 2012 (gmt 0)

we probably wouldn't have seen google as big as it is today


whoa! google got so big because they were by FAR the best game in town.

indyank




msg:4441584
 5:43 pm on Apr 16, 2012 (gmt 0)

whoa! google got so big because they were by FAR the best game in town.


whoa! google want us to acknowledge their rise like you do but these sergeys and larrys never seem to appreciate the rise of Apple or Facebook for similar reasons. Why do they behave as cry babies when they talk about others?

glenn




msg:4441745
 1:28 am on Apr 17, 2012 (gmt 0)

Sounds like what Tim Bernes-Lee was talking about in Scientific American not long ago: [scientificamerican.com ]

Sgt_Kickaxe




msg:4441780
 4:20 am on Apr 17, 2012 (gmt 0)

Personally I get sick of someone finding a backdoor in software or hardware and then being called a hacker. To me the person who wanted the backdoor is the one doing the damage.

Why do they behave as cry babies when they talk about others?

I watched the hockey game tonight and heard facebook mentioned 28 times(incl for nhl site, broadcaster site, announcers and advertisements), Twitter 14 and G+ 0. That's why they're crying. They bet the farm on G+, closed down similar products and even sold out search results but it didn't take as well as they hoped(because the world already had a premier social network).

The scoreboard on this very post, WAAAAAY down the page, is currently twitter 15, Google 0. Enough said.

Also, saying Sergei reacted implies he did something but I didn't see any of his actions mentioned besides his opinion. What's he(and Google) doing to fight the spymasters?

topr8




msg:4442147
 8:21 pm on Apr 17, 2012 (gmt 0)

OT @indyank ... i was just pointing out that google got so big because they were the best and i don't think if you could have seen into the future anyone would have stopped it, it was inevitable that whoever 'won' search would cash in big time.

personally i really worry about facebook - for so many people it is the internet and increasingly i can't even follow a link someone posts without being filtered through an app of some kind - which i won't sign up for so don't get to read much!

i agree with what JAB Creations said above and ultimately any of the heavyweights will act against our personal ability to make profits, because they want the money for themselves.... there are no exceptions.

Whitey




msg:4442244
 2:54 am on Apr 18, 2012 (gmt 0)

Just my 2 cents worth :

Threat - technology - always difficult to secure the high ground and stay there for ever. I guess Sergey's sentiments have spilled out.

Openess - the more globally exposed media is, the more likely it is to conflict with the localised regulators and court jurisdictions. I guess Sergey is expressing his frustration at Google's potential to loose opportunity.

Business is always going to squeal if it doesn't get most of what it wants. Double standards here as business also wants openess and access, without Google's commercial interferences [ just not possible, unfortunately].

Users are always going to make noises if they feel their privacy is compromised.

Unlike Microsoft, i think Sergey has a concern over an impending set of inertia's and some cross winds. Somethink the size of FB with a capitalisation the size of China decending across Google isn't going to be without a few ripples.

Ultimately, these digital giants are going to run foul of the masses at some point, which lobby or involve the authorities, so they need to be sensitive on how they handle this, and the basis lies in truth and a degree of balance - if it can be achieved.

Hopefully progress, and the conduct of these business' won't fan the flames of anger which seems to be prevailing in a lot of areas. We need more harmony in these dealings - call it a " popular cause" that everyone wants to be a part of, rather than a perception of greed , control and commercial enslavement, which got Wall Street a bad name in 1998 after 20 years of financial abuse, that's left a scar on many folks.

It's not a perfect world - but at least some improvements in the communication and transparent intent would help to build the balance and global / business / authority buy in to "openess and access".

Whitey




msg:4442254
 5:11 am on Apr 18, 2012 (gmt 0)

.... sorry , 2008

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