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mhansen




msg:4410457
 10:53 pm on Jan 24, 2012 (gmt 0)

Wow - what are they smoking in Mountainview? link [washingtonpost.com]

Google said Tuesday it will require users to allow the company to follow their activities across e-mail, search, YouTube and other services, a radical shift in strategy that is expected to invite greater scrutiny of its privacy and competitive practices.


The policy will take effect March 1 and will also impact Android mobile phone users, who are required to log in to Google accounts when they activate their phones.


I wonder if there is provision to allow people to return Android phones?

 

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:4410475
 11:40 pm on Jan 24, 2012 (gmt 0)

At best this will cause massive bad publicity at worst it could be the star of a slippery slope for Google. I think this one may even capture the general public's attention.

Too far this time?

ken_b




msg:4410477
 11:42 pm on Jan 24, 2012 (gmt 0)

This should be interesting.

Here's a link to the Google post [googleblog.blogspot.com...]

[the Washington Post link in the OP requires login]

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:4410481
 11:51 pm on Jan 24, 2012 (gmt 0)

This link to the WP article works (at least from the UK)

[washingtonpost.com...]

watchtower101




msg:4410530
 2:21 am on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

Can't opt out? People are going to bail out!

Reno




msg:4410558
 5:28 am on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

They are pursuing the exact policy that so many of us here have expected. Here is more info...
Google announces privacy changes across products; users canít opt out

Google will soon know far more about who you are and what you do on the Web.

The Web giant announced Tuesday that it plans to follow the activities of users across nearly all of its ubiquitous sites, including YouTube, Gmail and its leading search engine.

Google has already been collecting some of this information. But for the first time, it is combining data across its Web sites to stitch together a fuller portrait of users.

Consumers wonít be able to opt out of the changes, which take effect March 1...

Read the...
Full Article [washingtonpost.com]

.......................................................

tangor




msg:4410559
 5:35 am on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

The question will be will gmail users opting in (to continue using the service)? How many are going to give up their established gmail accounts? I know many gmail users who do not use any other G products... and some with gmail that use bing for search. Will be interesting to see how this shakes out.

Marshall




msg:4410560
 5:55 am on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

Absolute power....

Marshall

zeus




msg:4410626
 10:17 am on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

why even bother to make a Privacy Policy, there is non. This will not be seen lightly in Europe thats for sure.

topr8




msg:4410630
 10:53 am on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

... imho, MOST people couldn't care less about privacy.

all this google stuff is a storm in a tea-cup.

we are mostly webmasters here and different to the average person when it comes to things like this, yet - how many here who moan about privacy are using google analytics and knowingly giving all their valuable data away to google! (just one example of many)

how many webmasters who moan about privacy surf with js turned on, how many don't clear cookies on a regular basis - there's privacy invasion going on everywhere but it's too much effort for most to do anything about it.

how about using those supermarket loyalty cards, or nectar cards (i'm in uk, i assume they have the equivalent in other countries) ... most people willingly use these and are giving away all kinds of information by doing so.

... the list goes on

the truth is the average person in the street does not care about privacy issues.

driller41




msg:4410632
 11:00 am on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

It's for our own benefit dont forget.

nickreynolds




msg:4410633
 11:10 am on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

... imho, MOST people couldn't care less about privacy.


Not entirely sure that's true. There's quite a lot of sensitivity to Facebook privacy and people are still worried about lack of security with online shopping/banking.

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:4410637
 11:26 am on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

And the general public are now becoming much more aware of this. They will be even more aware of it with the publicity this will generate.

Watch out for TV and magazine adverts appearing from companies offering alternative email addresses with no privacy issues and using this as their hook. ;)

jecasc




msg:4410640
 12:29 pm on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)


the truth is the average person in the street does not care about privacy issues.


They will care the moment when they want to pay with Google Checkout and are denied because they were searching for "debt management" or "ways out of debt" on Google Search recently.

Of course Google will tell them, that this is a service and Google only wants to help them on the first steps out of debt by denying the purchase of those overpriced gadgets they wanted to buy.

zeus




msg:4410644
 12:48 pm on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

topr8 - thats just be cause they dont know a thing about Privacy policy and what companies are doing with there info. If you tell a person about what a company does with the info they will quickly chance there mind. What I dont like is that 1 company has so much info which can be MISUSED, thats what i dont like, think hackers, bad companies, criminals.....thats what makes me worried, no system is 100% safe.

mhansen




msg:4410661
 1:20 pm on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

The part of this interesting to me, is about combining almost all privacy policies into one. Many of us have embedded web services that are Google products, and we wonder if they will no longer work properly, unless logged in.

- Embedded Youtube Videos
- Adsense
- Analytics
- Google Custom Search
- Adwords

Realistically, if taken as written, all of these services could just stall, requiring a user to login first. If the services of embedded content stop working properly, I guess we (as Webmasters) have the choice of encouraging users to login, or finding another provider.

We also need to realize this means MORE of our search referrer data is going to be gone if more people sign onto this and login to the services.

Webwork




msg:4410665
 1:41 pm on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

Have a taste. First one's free.

Don't worry. You can stop any time.

I'll be around if you need . . want more.

Heroin. Crack. Data. Traffic.

londrum




msg:4410670
 1:58 pm on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

to be honest, i was surprised that data wasn't being shared across the different companies already.

randle




msg:4410686
 2:15 pm on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

Consumers wonít be able to opt out of the changes, which take effect March 1.


Google has always been big on the "well you can always opt out" of whatever data collecting activity they had going. Thats problematic enough; Joe surfer is ignorant of the activity in the first place, so "opting out" isn't really an above board approach.

Now, Joe surfer doesn't even have the option to opt out of this type of activity even if he is aware of it (which most aren't furthering the egregious nature of this)

If your going to track peoples activity, store and then use that information for monetary gain theres only one ethical approach;

Fully inform the person what will be collected and how and the person must "opt in" to be tracked and profiled.

For a company that prides itself on "organizing the worlds information", their pretty selective about how informed their users are about this type of activity.

shallow




msg:4410687
 2:18 pm on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)


For many reasons, including Panda, I've had it with Google. They've offered a bunch of free online goodies through the years and I've bitten hook, line and sinker. They have a lot of my correspondence (Gmail), photos (Picasa Web albums) and some documents (Google Docs). I opened a Google + account, though I rarely use it and am hoping I can close it.

I know there is no way of totally eliminating Google from your online life, but I'm going to close or stop using as many accounts as I can. Gmail is going to be a problem because I've been using it for years. I've set Bing as my default search engine.

I'd really like to be able to have a different user id and password when logging-in to AdSense.

shallow




msg:4410691
 2:28 pm on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

"Option 3: Delete your Google account.You'll lose access to all Google services and existing data requiring a Google Account. If you use Gmail, your Gmail address can't be reused."

Oh well. There are two other options:

[support.google.com...]

nickreynolds




msg:4410734
 4:39 pm on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

Someone needs to organise a "No Google" Day!

Pfui




msg:4410738
 4:50 pm on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

Federal officials are also looking at whether Google is running afoul of antitrust rules by using its dominance in online searches to favor its other business lines. [washingtonpost.com...]

Ya think?

engine




msg:4410740
 4:53 pm on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

It's up to Google what they do with their system, but this is a major change that makes me wonder how the privacy lobby will view this.

I suspect it will run and run well beyond the March 1 deadline.

shallow




msg:4410743
 4:58 pm on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

Someone needs to organise a "No Google" Day!


Good idea. We can all log out for the day.

How about an 'Occupy Google, too?" Virtual or otherwise. :)

Samizdata




msg:4410755
 5:38 pm on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

we are mostly webmasters here

Yet Google Webmaster Tools has not been mentioned.

(Omission now corrected).

...

Panthro




msg:4410778
 6:55 pm on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

Maybe it's just me, but I assumed they already did this. I figured if you're logged into G, you're logged into G.

HuskyPup




msg:4410793
 7:19 pm on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

I've deleted everything Google except my AdSense account and one tablet PC which will be finding a new home soon.

Apart from the AdSense factor there is a life without this behemoth and I'm seriously considering dumping AdSense too simply because I can afford to.

The new corporate Razrs have been cancelled and it looks like Blackberry may win the day, trying the new Nokia tomorrow.

outland88




msg:4410800
 7:31 pm on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

Someone needs to organise a "No Google" Day!


Absolutely, but the problem is Google has so many in its hip pocket stealing your content for Adsense turn-out might be sketchy.

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:4410810
 7:49 pm on Jan 25, 2012 (gmt 0)

I guess we (as Webmasters) have the choice of encouraging users to login, or finding another provider.

Lots of opportunities being created for ETHICAL, enterprising companies.

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