| 6:40 pm on Jul 11, 2008 (gmt 0)|
This is just getting funny. An "independent" Yahoo? "Anti-Competitive"?
The spin is making me dizzy.
| 7:05 pm on Jul 11, 2008 (gmt 0)|
I agree. From my recent horrible experiences I think Yahoo! desperately needs Microsoft to step in ASAP, search marketing and product submit = OUCH.
| 7:20 pm on Jul 11, 2008 (gmt 0)|
But having Google run their search advertising business is just fine right? Give me a break. If Google gets that traffic they will be a much worse monopoly than MS ever was. At least MS provided a platform to develop software. Google will be able to make or break your business overnight and you can't do a thing about it.
MS might have killed a few businesses here and there, but Google will have the power to kill thousands of businesses with a simple algo or quality score update. Sure you think Google is all nice and lovable now, but do you honestly think it's always going to be like that?
(and don't tell me about not putting all your eggs in one basket, if Google owns 80% of the market and you get on Google's bad side, good luck to you.)
| 7:27 pm on Jul 11, 2008 (gmt 0)|
Wouldn't this thread make more sense in the Yahoo Corporate forum, since it's really about Yahoo?
| 7:36 pm on Jul 11, 2008 (gmt 0)|
|Google will have the power to kill thousands of businesses with a simple algo or quality score update. |
Granted that might happen but whose fault is that really? Google's or the company that relies solely on Google for its success or failure.
Google isn't killing businesses. Businesses are failing because they refuse to market through multiple channels. That being said, it seems obvious to me that this deal with G & Y will not pass regulatory inspection, which is probably a good thing. But that's why we have these measures in place right?
| 7:38 pm on Jul 11, 2008 (gmt 0)|
|"Wouldn't this thread make more sense in the Yahoo Corporate forum, since it's really about Yahoo?" |
My friend, that's the point... it's always about Google. It's like God + Santa Claus + the CIA + the FBI + DHS all rolled into one... they see and control everything...
Google mind control BETA, coming soon!
| 7:44 pm on Jul 11, 2008 (gmt 0)|
|If Google gets that traffic they will be a much worse monopoly than MS ever was. |
When an algo change affects negatively some webmasters, it's pretty unintentional from Google, who is just trying to protect its search engine from spammers and other crooks. MS never had any qualms stomping over whoever was between them and complete dominance.
A full blown monopoly would be (and is) bad, but I think there's a real different corporate culture between the two.
| 7:53 pm on Jul 11, 2008 (gmt 0)|
it is absolutely right.
just insert this prior to that statement:
if (World == Google)
//google code goes here
| 8:01 pm on Jul 11, 2008 (gmt 0)|
|When an algo change affects negatively some webmasters |
What about algo changes in paid ads that result in more money to Google for the same service?
| 8:16 pm on Jul 11, 2008 (gmt 0)|
Raise your hand if you have a twenty-something percent market share in internet search or have a comparable amount of assets to Yahoo.
Thought so...because Yahoo is doing good on all fronts. Let the greedy money grubbers on Wall Street feel a little pinch. They need to wake up to the reality that money isn't everything.
| 8:33 pm on Jul 11, 2008 (gmt 0)|
Lord Majestic - Just like any other service provider can change their rates at any time, so Google can change theirs. If you're talking about Quality Score slaps, try putting some effort into making your site unique. [EDIT] This sounds rude, unintentionally. I can't speak for the quality of your site(s), but in my experience the Quality Score slaps have only inspired my company to improve our sites. Lo and behold, the sites that were slapped are now much improved, especially in the conversion area :)
I'm sorry, but what anti-competetive behavior has Google taken? Everyone keeps throwing money at them, but it seems almost everyone here likes to complain. Ever wonder if maybe they provide good services, and most people are reasonably happy?
Look at this for a minute: Yahoo! clicks, for my business at least, convert better than Google clicks. However, my Google ads have a higher Click-Through-Rate. Know why? They're better at targeting ads.
If Yahoo! runs Google ads, my business gets the CTR of Google with the conversion rate of Yahoo! (potentially); let me also say that Yahoo! is probably getting a much better adsense rate than the rest of the webmasters out there :)
| 8:36 pm on Jul 11, 2008 (gmt 0)|
|Just like any other service provider can change their rates at any time, so Google can change theirs |
Not if they are a monopoly in which case price controls will apply - this is precisely why it is important to keep competition going and current Googles behavior is clearly anti-competitive - not only they are trying to prevent competitor from becoming more viable, they are actually trying to grab bigger share in the process.
| 8:37 pm on Jul 11, 2008 (gmt 0)|
It's all well and good until you end up on the wrong side of a slap. I have seen businesses crushed because they were slapped.
And don't talk about making your site unique. That has nothing to do with it.
The bottom line is, regardless of how much you may like Google or how good they are at delivering ads, they should NOT have that much control over search advertising.
Them talking about an MS/Yahoo deal being anti-competitive when they are trying to get a deal with Yahoo that would create a HUGE monopoly over search advertising is laughable.
| 9:25 pm on Jul 11, 2008 (gmt 0)|
I welcome ANY search competiton other than Google right now. Don't get me wrong, I am riding the coat tails of Google, but they have been getting more and more of the market share and it worries me that they will essentially dictate who make what in an online business.
I always see people trying to come to the defense of Google when it comes to troubles. That may be OK some of the time, even most of the time, but if Google partners with Yahoo, we might as well come to grips that Google will rule the internet advertising world for a long, long time to come.
| 9:35 pm on Jul 11, 2008 (gmt 0)|
"The world that revolves around Google is better off with an independent Yahoo"
Gimme a freakin' break. Gimme a real Google competitor, an internet will be a better place with more competition. We can all thank Google later for making internet a giant MFA dump
|300m: and it worries me that they will essentially dictate who make what in an online business |
essentially? they will? they ARE! See how many "my adwords is $10/click" threads there are here. and tons of other cries of decreased adsense revenue. and tons of threads on "i was dropped from google", "-99 penalty", etc. etc. Unless you study Google and follow its rules, you are not going to succeed on the internet. I say this qualifies as "essentially dictate".
| 9:52 pm on Jul 11, 2008 (gmt 0)|
>We can all thank Google later for making internet a giant MFA dump
Those of us were around before Google, remember the web as it was then. Vstore faux-front retailers, Spamazon or Hotel.spam.spam.spam.now doorways, "Online Malls"... Google meant (and still means) spammers have to keep scurrying to keep from getting stomped like roaches.
On the good side, a lot of chaff got reduced to ashes. On the bad side, back then it was easy for a relatively-savvy surfer to spot the poseurs. Now they have to spend so much effort disguising themselves to stay in Google's good graces that the survivors are much harder to detect.
I'm a firm believer in the "competition is the only way humans have of measuring excellence" theory. The question is, which is more competitive: a Microsoft that has absorbed Yahoo as efficaciously as it did Excite/Altavista/Inktomi/whoever, or a limpingly independent Yahoo?
But the problem is, Microsoft is just a Dalek gang without the cool lights. There's no such thing as competition, there's only hordes of robots intoning "exterminate!" "exterminate!". If you just want to murder browsers/search engines/file systems/antiviruses/word processors, Microsoft is just the ticket. But if you want leapfrogging imitations, like Intel/AMD, IBM/HP, Linux/Solaris, etc., you need three things. You need two innovative companies that will leap. And you need barbed-wire cages for all the Microsofties.
| 2:05 am on Jul 12, 2008 (gmt 0)|
|We can all thank Google later for making internet a giant MFA dump |
Amen. Google has helped create more copyright infringement with their programs than anything the world will ever witness. It is truly historical in nature. No spammer or search engine has ever cost me the trouble Google has.
| 11:27 am on Jul 12, 2008 (gmt 0)|
Yahoo and MS are both dinosaur losers with most of their IT products and the market is ripe and ready for new competitors with intelligent products.
| 2:47 am on Jul 14, 2008 (gmt 0)|
The sour grapes are starting to pile up. Getting back on topic, is there any reason to prefer an independent Yahoo? How would the survival of Yahoo as a freestanding company benefit or hurt Google shareholders?
| 3:17 am on Jul 14, 2008 (gmt 0)|
I fully agree that the world is better off with an independent Yahoo. There's already too much personality cloning and emulation on the web, and it's delightful when there are different portals/sites that have unique personalities.
And competition is always a positive thing; assimilation stifles effort and creativity. Yahoo has some amazing people on board, and needs the chance to shine on their own. They haven't gotten enough credit for what they're worth as an internet personality and need the chance for their day to come.
| 12:41 pm on Jul 14, 2008 (gmt 0)|
"I'm a firm believer in the "competition is the only way humans have of measuring excellence" theory. The question is, which is more competitive: a Microsoft that has absorbed Yahoo as efficaciously as it did Excite/Altavista/Inktomi/whoever, or a limpingly independent Yahoo? "
I think the answer to this is, sadly, a Microsoft/yahoo takeover, although you are right that it is't a particularly competetive move either. And the worst option of all would be a google/yahoo tie in.
But then I disagree about competition being the only way to measure excellence. I think it's more a measure of corporate power, advertising and fashion. Betamax anyone?