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Google Apps package announced
communications and productivity software aimed at businesses
phranque




msg:3259943
 8:01 am on Feb 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

from nytimes.com [nytimes.com]:
The package, called Google Apps, combines two sets of previously available software bundles. One included programs for e-mail, instant messaging, calendars and Web page creation; the other, called Docs and Spreadsheets, included programs to read and edit documents created with Microsoft Word and Excel, the mainstays of Microsoft Office, an $11 billion annual franchise.

let the games begin...

 

harpoon




msg:3260178
 1:09 pm on Feb 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Definitely a serious challenge on the part of Google. If this takes off the only MS response I see is them releasing a free lite version of Office?

engine




msg:3260234
 1:52 pm on Feb 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

It seems the Premier Edition is priced at $50 per user.

[google.com...]

johnser




msg:3260297
 2:36 pm on Feb 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

1 - Did anyone get hit by Adwords' "technical glitch" last Friday which massively increased bids across the board?

2 - Ever use the MCC to schedule a report to be sent to 1 client and discover the report goes to all MCC clients?

3 - Anyone having problems getting their GAP profile URL to display fine in Firefox but not in IE? ("G engineers are aware of the problem" - apparently)

Google programmers are very good but they're not Gods.

Any small business trusting that it's mission-critical documents were 100% safe in Google's hands deserves to go bust.

oddsod




msg:3260299
 2:37 pm on Feb 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

engine, isn't that per year?

beesticles




msg:3260320
 2:53 pm on Feb 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

[google.com...] is a 404 right now. What was the uptime guarantee?

oddsod




msg:3260323
 2:55 pm on Feb 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

URL working for me.

bloke in a box




msg:3260383
 3:28 pm on Feb 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Working here.

** The 99.9% uptime guarantee for Gmail is offered to organizations using Google Apps Premier Edition

$50 / user / year with ads being optional.

Looks like the start of a pretty neat package to me!

trillianjedi




msg:3260441
 3:55 pm on Feb 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Looks like the start of a pretty neat package to me!

Looks to me like the start of a shift from an advertising model to a subscription model.

The implications of that are pretty far reaching.

nutsandbolts




msg:3260445
 4:06 pm on Feb 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Google are absolutely at the top of their game at the moment. This sounds like a sweet package.

cyberair




msg:3260476
 4:39 pm on Feb 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

All Google has to do now is increase their credibility in handling security and storage issues. Remember a few weeks ago some users from Gmail had all their data deleted because of a security glitch.

If Google can have a year or two without anymore of those scandals, they might get some really nice revenue from big corps.

gopi




msg:3260477
 4:39 pm on Feb 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Good move by google, But the current offering is not adequate for corporate customers, IMHO they should acquire a existing web based productivity vendor (like zoho).

trinorthlighting




msg:3260656
 7:28 pm on Feb 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Oh I like this, you can create pdf documents. This is real great for a business who has multiple users who are creating pdf files. This will save some big $$$ on licensing fees per computer.

bcolflesh




msg:3260662
 7:35 pm on Feb 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

If you have uses who need to make typical PDFs, look at:

[sourceforge.net...]

momotan




msg:3260691
 7:59 pm on Feb 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

Think about this. Your a CFO and your going to put your email, spreadsheets, documents, etc... on Google's servers? For them to look over and do whatever they please with (check the license agreement, it's the same as the toolbar, gmail, adwords, adsense, etc...They can use whatever data they want, just not make it personally identifiable). Some companies may be that stupid, some may just want to say "we use google, were cool too", most will not. It will take G years to get any significant market share (like maybe 1% per year) while Microsoft will wipe out large chunks of G's search market share in that same period of time. As well, G's pathetic attempt at customer support lags way behind what Microsoft or IBM can offer.

tedster




msg:3260747
 8:45 pm on Feb 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

From the terms of service:

In no event will Google or its licensors be liable for any indirect, special, incidental, consequential, exemplary or punitive damages, including but not limited to damages for lost data, lost profits, lost revenue or costs of procurement of substitute goods or services, however caused and under any theory of liability, including but not limited to contract or tort (including products liability, strict liability and negligence), and whether or not such party was or should have been aware or advised of the possibility of such damage and notwithstanding the failure of essential purpose of any limited remedy stated herein.

In no event will Google's and/or its licensors' liability for any claim arising out of this agreement (when aggregated with Google's liability for all other claims arising out of this agreement) exceed the net amount Google has actually received and retained under the agreement during the twelve (12) months immediately preceding the date on which such claim arises.

I reformatted from all caps to sentence case and also added a paragraph break for easier reading.)

plumsauce




msg:3260911
 12:05 am on Feb 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

So, I hope *everyone else* entrusts their financial data to their spreadsheet app. :)

You mean you would actually trust the same guys who never get anything else right to program a spreadsheet engine? The same guys who roll out everything without adequate testing? Adwords is their goldmine, but they roll out changes that break all the time. And 2+2 equals? They had so much trouble maintaining a page count that they just dropped the display! Tell that to the IRS.

Security? Think gmail.

And wait until they apply a hotfix globally to all spreadsheets in the repository. Spreadsheets that used to work all of a sudden don't. Better get 'em on the phone. Oh, um, that would be support email. Maybe in a few days.

Ok, who wants to buy my bridges? How about some vacation property?

walkman




msg:3261101
 5:54 am on Feb 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

security, as some have mentioned, is G's #1 issue: Why would a company trust them--or any online company for that matter--with their most secret info?

ashear




msg:3261102
 5:55 am on Feb 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

On the other hand we have trusted Microsoft App's to do a very similar thing for years. If you read their TOS agreement it clearly takes no responsibility for loosing content.

Especially back in the old day's when exchange first arrived. If you had a mailbox over 500MB you risked loosing your data at any moment.

If anything we should be wondering how Microsoft will react to this. I am sure they are still in meetings at this time talking about it.

phranque




msg:3261138
 6:43 am on Feb 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

i heard our friend john battelle [pubcon.com] quoted on this subject on local public radio [marketplace.publicradio.org] today.

idolw




msg:3261159
 7:26 am on Feb 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

Oh I like this, you can create pdf documents. This is real great for a business who has multiple users who are creating pdf files. This will save some big $$$ on licensing fees per computer.

openoffice has had it for years now.

dakuma




msg:3262146
 11:09 pm on Feb 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

I see far more "pros" than "cons" with this move. The flexibility the web affords to create docs, spreadsheets, and PDF's (yes I am aware of open office) for a small company independent of location/hardware is a great plus. In my situation there are only 2 of us, and Google Apps lets us share contacts, calendar events, partener page and the gMail interface is tops in my opinion. $50/user is affordable, and as far as security goes, who has zero security issues? Anyone? Ever!?

Should we, as developers be pushing the "who would trust Google" angle? If the general public comes to think of Google as being unable to secure files/sites/privacy/information, how are we going to convince companies to trust applications that we write for them?

Kufu




msg:3263535
 9:40 pm on Feb 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

while Microsoft will wipe out large chunks of G's search market share in that same period of time.

What history is this assumption based on? MSN Search (now Live) has been loosing market share consistently over the past three years.

sdani




msg:3264506
 6:41 pm on Feb 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

This is what people are talking about their support ->

[groups.google.com...]

We switched our mail server to Google Apss's GMail last Friday and today many of our clients are reporting that they are seeing our emails in their JUNK folder, instead of going in the Inbox. We do have proper SPF records.

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